PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Truesilverblue]

In view of Southamptons extremely harsh punishment for what was really a petty crime will this have a knock-on bearing on our case as the country in general is shifting towards autocratic rogue governance. The fact that our case has taken so long points to a pessimistic outcome. Sorry to express my grim feelings on the matter but im really concerned and hope with my life we will have some kind of positive outcome.

 

[DelToro]

In view of Southamptons extremely harsh punishment for what was really a petty crime will this have a knock-on bearing on our case as the country in general is shifting towards autocratic rogue governance. The fact that our case has taken so long points to a pessimistic outcome. Sorry to express my grim feelings on the matter but im really concerned and hope with my life we will have some kind of positive outcome.

Completely and utterly unrelated cases.

 

[decmancity]

In view of Southamptons extremely harsh punishment for what was really a petty crime will this have a knock-on bearing on our case as the country in general is shifting towards autocratic rogue governance. The fact that our case has taken so long points to a pessimistic outcome. Sorry to express my grim feelings on the matter but im really concerned and hope with my life we will have some kind of positive outcome.

Extremely harsh? They cheated, multiple times, specifically to gain a sporting advantage. What difference is a 6pt deduction in the championship if they are already promoted.

 

[Truesilverblue]

Extremely harsh? They cheated, multiple times, specifically to gain a sporting advantage. What difference is a 6pt deduction in the championship if they are already promoted.

Watching opposition training can hardly be called cheating despite it being done in a cloak and dagger manner

 

[crossie]

Watching opposition training can hardly be called cheating despite it being done in a cloak and dagger manner

I side with your sentiment but there is a specific rule about not observing opponents less than 72 hours before a game. Southampton broke that rule in their own admission 3 times this season.

They cheated

The punishment is extremely harsh but what else can you do? Carry on but fine them £1m? Not that fair in Middlesbrough then is it?

 

[Coatigan]

Not exactly the same point, but from The Lawyer's last article:

"In the extreme, there might need to be a complete re-trial because of some exceptional circumstance. That is extremely unlikely, but it does sometimes happen. In 2021, the Court of Appeal ordered a re-trial following a five week High Court hearing in a case between Natwest Markets and Bilta. Mr Justice Snowden had taken 19 months to hand down judgment.

“A judgment given in a timely fashion can be assumed to have been prepared with a full recollection of the relevant evidence,” the Court of Appeal said. “However, the 19-month delay means we cannot make that assumption.

“Having subjected this judgment to the appropriate degree of scrutiny in light of the delay, we are not satisfied that the judge’s findings and conclusion on this key issue were right. We have reluctantly concluded that in fairness the judgment cannot be allowed to stand.”"

So, not an issue of time limitation, but the idea that an appeal doesn't lead to a full review of all the evidence may not be cast in stone. Depends on the nature of the appeal, I suppose.

Can you imagine a "re-trial"?

Given I can no longer imagine life without the charges hanging over us, yes, I can.

 

[Groke]

Watching opposition training can hardly be called cheating despite it being done in a cloak and dagger manner

Real cheating is what happens week in week out on the pitch with teams in red. Not allegedly slipping Mancini a few extra bob decades ago.

 

[supercity88]

UK Govt strikes a trade deal with the Gulf states including the UAE. "Now about those charges"...

 

[Truesilverblue]

Real cheating is what happens week in week out on the pitch with teams in red. Not allegedly slipping Mancini a few extra bob decades ago.

Exactly my sentiments too, red cartel clubs have been handed special treatment for years now since the mid 70s

 

[Norbiton]

This is exactly how people that have zero clue how legal process works think.

They think that the best lawyers should just win every single case regardless of what the facts or the law are (or in this case, EFL by-laws).

Again, this is another reason I don't take this nonsense seriously.

It's pure tribalism. Very few fans who are stroking their phalli at the prospect of our downfall actually understand the facts of the case.

“Stroking their phalli”. A phrase I never thought I’d see, but this is Bluemoon!

 

[SilvaGods]

In view of Southamptons extremely harsh punishment for what was really a petty crime will this have a knock-on bearing on our case as the country in general is shifting towards autocratic rogue governance. The fact that our case has taken so long points to a pessimistic outcome. Sorry to express my grim feelings on the matter but im really concerned and hope with my life we will have some kind of positive outcome.

U could also look at Chelsea’s punishment and say well that sets a precedent? If u were so inclined…and IF we were found guilty

 

[Truesilverblue]

Completely and utterly unrelated cases.

Yes but imagine the outcry if City get off lightly as compared to all these cases.

 

[HorlockofFiretopMountain]

In view of Southamptons extremely harsh punishment for what was really a petty crime will this have a knock-on bearing on our case as the country in general is shifting towards autocratic rogue governance. The fact that our case has taken so long points to a pessimistic outcome. Sorry to express my grim feelings on the matter but im really concerned and hope with my life we will have some kind of positive outcome.

Makes you wonder what the punishment would be for hacking another teams database. I know City and Liverpool reached a settlement on the issue, but does that absolve th PL from taking action against them?

 

[DelToro]

Yes but imagine the outcry if City get off lightly as compared to all these cases.

There’s an outcry about City every time another team gets punished for a completely unrelated issue. Who cares?

And by “Get off lightly” do you mean “All allegations dismissed”?

 

[chesterbells]

Yes but imagine the outcry if City get off lightly as compared to all these cases.

I gave up caring about outcry years ago.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

Watching opposition training can hardly be called cheating despite it being done in a cloak and dagger manner

The rule specifically forbids it so that is the textbook definition of cheating.

 

[Gazza]

Not exactly the same point, but from The Lawyer's last article:

"In the extreme, there might need to be a complete re-trial because of some exceptional circumstance. That is extremely unlikely, but it does sometimes happen. In 2021, the Court of Appeal ordered a re-trial following a five week High Court hearing in a case between Natwest Markets and Bilta. Mr Justice Snowden had taken 19 months to hand down judgment.

“A judgment given in a timely fashion can be assumed to have been prepared with a full recollection of the relevant evidence,” the Court of Appeal said. “However, the 19-month delay means we cannot make that assumption.

“Having subjected this judgment to the appropriate degree of scrutiny in light of the delay, we are not satisfied that the judge’s findings and conclusion on this key issue were right. We have reluctantly concluded that in fairness the judgment cannot be allowed to stand.”"

So, not an issue of time limitation, but the idea that an appeal doesn't lead to a full review of all the evidence may not be cast in stone. Depends on the nature of the appeal, I suppose.

Can you imagine a "re-trial"?

Yes, because it drags our name through the mud for another few years.

 

[JASR]

Makes you wonder what the punishment would be for hacking another teams database. I know City and Liverpool reached a settlement on the issue, but does that absolve th PL from taking action against them?

1. Was it illegal - tick
2. Did it provide a sporting advantage - tick
3. Is it against the PL rules - tick
4. Do the perpetrators play in red - tick

Result: no action by the PL, no ongoing outcry in media

Conclusion: see point 4

 

[Truesilverblue]

U could also look at Chelsea’s punishment and say well that sets a precedent? If u were so inclined…and IF we were found guilty

Good point too although theirs was done under the previous ownership. Red teams however never get charged, Boro are also a red team besides the big 3 evils.

 

[HorlockofFiretopMountain]

1. Was it illegal - tick
2. Did it provide a sporting advantage - tick
3. Is it against the PL rules - tick
4. Do the perpetrators play in red - tick

Result: no action by the PL, no ongoing outcry in media

Conclusion: see point 4

I think we're on the same page