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threespires said:
To your point 'even' someone worth say £250 million with a comical unrealistically conservative investment approach would still need to get through about £300k a week in expenditure just to dispose of their interest. When we get onto billionaires it's another game altogether.

Its interesting what the extremely wealthy spend their money on, as they can only spend the tiniest fraction on material comfort, so they spend it accumulating more wealth and they will splurge on initiatives to gain power and influence to allow them to do so unfettered and/or in some cases to extend their direct sphere of control. It's a pretty destructive feedback loop in terms of democracy.

We're at the point where in 2024 billionaire wealth increased by $2 trillion in 12 months. To put that in context that number is bigger than over 80% of the national GDPs across the planet. This is not sustainable if we want to live in anything that look even remotely like democracies.

The only way that changes is if enough people make it clear to governments that not only do they demand they do something about it but also that they will have their backs if they choose to try do something. Unless and until the private armies of the wealthy are more powerful than nation state ones this is a fixable problem. That said the other dangerous model is capture by private individuals of state infrastructure a la Palantir. Again though I think it's probably fixable.

There's still a window to address this but it's closing and if it does it won't be the politicians fault, it'll be ours. We get the politicians we deserve.
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I heard an interesting podcast on billionaires and then not giving up money due to influence, if you only have a billion you are in a certain circle the more you have the higher up you go the more influence you have. They won’t give it away as that reduces their power and influence it will have to be taken away from them. Now they will say well what’s the point if me carrying on if you take it off me, but if they want to stop there will always be someone else striving for that first billion in their place.
We are already seeing how it affects us just going to watch a game, it’s becoming a rich person sport, fa cup final are scandalous prices but compared to say the superbowl they are nothing but that’s where they want to be.
 
Salford_Blue said:
Forgive my ignorance (or stupidity), but why does more funding mean higher ratings in polls?

I get there will be more ads, posters, etc, but does that really sway people that much?
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It certainly does. Every billboard in town they've bought up. Prime time adverts. Door knockers. You name it they are funding it. Three Billionaires have funded this who have absolutely nothing to do with Kentucky. Just to get Massie out and a pro Israeli Senator in. Looks like it's going to pay off again.
 
The blue phantom said:
It certainly does. Every billboard in town they've bought up. Prime time adverts. Door knockers. You name it they are funding it. Three Billionaires have funded this who have absolutely nothing to do with Kentucky. Just to get Massie out and a pro Israeli Senator in. Looks like it's going to pay off again.
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So, what we are saying is that the US is not about the people, it’s about the elites getting the people they want. The people are just the conduit for the elites to do whatever they want.

No wonder none of these uber-rich want to give back, they need it for even more influence.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
So, what we are saying is that the US is not about the people, it’s about the elites getting the people they want. The people are just the conduit for the elites to do whatever they want.

No wonder none of these uber-rich want to give back, they need it for even more influence.
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The United States is no longer a democary its a corpocracy. Bought by the rich and its foreign policy influenced by the Israeli government.
 
TinFoilHat said:
The United States is no longer a democary its a corpocracy. Bought by the rich and its foreign policy influenced by the Israeli government.
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From what we now see about the AIPAC stuff, I’d suggest it’s not just about the Israeli Government, it’s coordinated with more than them. It’s about the rich and powerful bending people to their will, and forcing them to accept their lot.

We have done well to control this type of stuff over here, but things are changing fast.
 
You cross Trump and his donors in anyway and you're toast. Near certain Massie has gone. His grip on the Republican party seems stronger than ever.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I heard an interesting podcast on billionaires and then not giving up money due to influence, if you only have a billion you are in a certain circle the more you have the higher up you go the more influence you have. They won’t give it away as that reduces their power and influence it will have to be taken away from them. Now they will say well what’s the point if me carrying on if you take it off me, but if they want to stop there will always be someone else striving for that first billion in their place.
We are already seeing how it affects us just going to watch a game, it’s becoming a rich person sport, fa cup final are scandalous prices but compared to say the superbowl they are nothing but that’s where they want to be.
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Not to mention World Cup ticket prices, especially here in the USA, which is now both a kleptocracy AND a kakistocracy.
 
Am hearing that JD Vance has given a speech praising Yaxley-Lennon’s UTK rally, one that included the following remarks:

“It’s okay to want to defend your culture.It’s okay to want to live in a safe neighbourhood. It’s okay to want your job to go to yourself and your neighbours, not to a stranger who you don’t even know. It’s okay to want to control who comes into the country”

Well some may think it not okay that - as a Catholic convert - Vance does not appear to be familiar with the papal encyclical Pacem in Terris.

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ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
Am hearing that JD Vance has given a speech praising Yaxley-Lennon’s UTK rally, one that included the following remarks:

“It’s okay to want to defend your culture.It’s okay to want to live in a safe neighbourhood. It’s okay to want your job to go to yourself and your neighbours, not to a stranger who you don’t even know. It’s okay to want to control who comes into the country”

Well some may think it not okay that - as a Catholic convert - Vance does not appear to be familiar with the papal encyclical Pacem in Terris.

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I think that'll probably be a TLDR for JD. Maybe someone could just take him to one side and explain the formata bit of fides formata.

Or failing that maybe he could simply reflect on whether it's possible to serve both God and Thiel. Though I think he's made it fairly clear where he stands on that.
 
So now I have a conundrum my daughter has just won a cheerleading competition in Amsterdam the prize is to go to Orlando next year to compete. The wife has said she has to go, if this social media thing to get in the country is a thing I don’t think if they are been cunts I’d get it, there is a cost issue as well so maybe I stay and let them two go and stay home with the dogs.
 
Blue Maverick said:
So now I have a conundrum my daughter has just won a cheerleading competition in Amsterdam the prize is to go to Orlando next year to compete. The wife has said she has to go, if this social media thing to get in the country is a thing I don’t think if they are been cunts I’d get it, there is a cost issue as well so maybe I stay and let them two go and stay home with the dogs.
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Sounds like an incredible opportunity for your daughter.
 
Blue Maverick said:
So now I have a conundrum my daughter has just won a cheerleading competition in Amsterdam the prize is to go to Orlando next year to compete. The wife has said she has to go, if this social media thing to get in the country is a thing I don’t think if they are been cunts I’d get it, there is a cost issue as well so maybe I stay and let them two go and stay home with the dogs.
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Backup phone (cloud/pc/usb stick), reset phone to factory default, don’t set anything up (including email) other than phone/text messages.
Arrive in US, get through ICE by saying you don’t use social media, restore phone from backup.

Try the process before needing to use it for real.
 
Blue Maverick said:
It is pal but the worry I have is skin colour both wife and her are olive skinned they way these cunts are acting you never know.
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They should be okay. It’s more about where they are coming from. They aren’t turning back legions of Brits at the airport even the ones who aren’t blond and blue eyed. Olive skinned and travelling on Mexican passports and they may have more of a problem…
 
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