Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[bluebanana83]

Spurs will win, obviously, but New Orleans Pelicans? WTF.

They used to be New Orleans Jazz but moved to Utah in 1979 hence Utah Jazz.

New Orleans Pelicans were founded in 2002 as New Orleans Hornets in 2002 after the Charlotte Hornets were relocated and rebranded to New Orleans Pelicans in 2013.

American franchises really are bonkers. Frightening if anything like that happened to football. (Unless it was just to the Scum)

 

[bluebanana83]

Calling the Northern Quarter a dump just shows you have no idea what is actually over there. If you think the NQ is just dive bars and graffiti, you are completely out of touch with where the top end of Manchester's food and drink scene is actually hiding.

If you want actual upmarket quality without the corporate safety net, you go to places like 63 Degrees on Edge Street for high-end classic French dining, or The Jane Eyre on Hood Street for some of the best cocktails and small plates in the city. Even Flawd, just down the road in Ancoats, blows anything a plastic, manufactured, hotel brasserie can do out of the water.

You are confusing slick corporate branding with actual luxury. Places like Another Hand on Deansgate Mews or the Michelin-starred mana in Ancoats prove that the best independent talent in the city operates at a level a manufactured chain concept like Little Beast could only dream of.

If you prefer spending your money on a sanitised, hotel-managed corporate illusion surrounded by empty car parks, that is your choice. I'll stick to places with actual substance, soul, and world-class quality before heading to the match.

63 degrees sadly closed at the end of 2024 due to the owners ill health. The rest are all still open.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Nobody is saying these places will be serving KFC-level food, but you are completely missing the structural flaw. A 400-room hotel and a busy concert arena don't change the fact that this is a manufactured, out-of-centre site. It is being built as a captive environment, not a neighbourhood.

Think about Manchester Airport’s Terminal 2. It has plenty of "premium" dining, but it is entirely functional and synthetic. It exists only to serve people who have no other choice because they are already stuck in the departures hall. That is exactly what this development is—a glossy, high-end waiting room for the arena.

The reality is that no top-tier chef is going to pour their heart and soul into a setup like this. They want creative freedom and a community they can build a relationship with, not a corporate rotation where the menu is dictated by regional head office and the customer base is just a transient swarm of concert or match-goers.

Look at the Printworks. That is in the absolute heart of the city, surrounded by hotels, office blocks, shops, and massive footfall, and it has struggled for years to maintain relevance because it is a manufactured cluster of chains rather than a genuine destination. If a site in the middle of town with constant organic traffic struggles, what chance does a concrete island in East Manchester have once the stadium lights go out?

You can point to future developments or the hotel capacity all you want, but you are describing a corporate ecosystem that relies on a constant, artificial supply of people. Once that supply hits a lull, the lack of a real, local community will expose these venues for exactly what they are: sterile, managed environments with zero local roots.

He is not ranting; he is giving an opinion

Just now, Etihad Campus(Medlock Yards) is an event destination, not an everyday destination

You have to look at the facts, the area will be busy when the COOP Live is on, so the restaurants, cafes and hotels will be busy

The area will be busy when a game is on, but the hotel and restaurants may not be

The area will have ok footfall when Mamma Mia Live is on. This may help the hotel, but you will be eating at Mamma Mia Live

The Holt's Town development is key, as this brings your constant footfall if you look at the Wembley set-up



Metlock Yards needs to become a hub, a destination

We are copying the Wembley blueprint so far

Wembley- Etihad

OVO Arena- Coop Live

Troubadour Wembley Park Theatre-Mamma Mia Live



To bring constant footfall, you need shopping and other leisure activities, which will keep the cafes and restaurants busy, but at the moment, does this work

Look at the Quayside

I visited 'ghost' shopping centre getting £10m revamp — can't come soon enough

Quayside has around 30 units currently sitting empty.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[Marvin.]

Nobody is saying these places will be serving KFC-level food, but you are completely missing the structural flaw. A 400-room hotel and a busy concert arena don't change the fact that this is a manufactured, out-of-centre site. It is being built as a captive environment, not a neighbourhood.

Think about Manchester Airport’s Terminal 2. It has plenty of "premium" dining, but it is entirely functional and synthetic. It exists only to serve people who have no other choice because they are already stuck in the departures hall. That is exactly what this development is—a glossy, high-end waiting room for the arena.

The reality is that no top-tier chef is going to pour their heart and soul into a setup like this. They want creative freedom and a community they can build a relationship with, not a corporate rotation where the menu is dictated by regional head office and the customer base is just a transient swarm of concert or match-goers.

Look at the Printworks. That is in the absolute heart of the city, surrounded by hotels, office blocks, shops, and massive footfall, and it has struggled for years to maintain relevance because it is a manufactured cluster of chains rather than a genuine destination. If a site in the middle of town with constant organic traffic struggles, what chance does a concrete island in East Manchester have once the stadium lights go out?

You can point to future developments or the hotel capacity all you want, but you are describing a corporate ecosystem that relies on a constant, artificial supply of people. Once that supply hits a lull, the lack of a real, local community will expose these venues for exactly what they are: sterile, managed environments with zero local roots.

What is the structural flaw in the Manchester City complex? You condemn the buildings as manufactured and synthetic. What else could they be but manufactured and synthetic? Would you prefer it if City exploited caves or sink-holes? What is an artificial supply of people?

Utter nonsense from start to finish.

 

[pride in battle]

What is the structural flaw in the Manchester City complex? You condemn the buildings as manufactured and synthetic. What else could they be but manufactured and synthetic? Would you prefer it if City exploited caves or sink-holes? What is an artificial supply of people?

Utter nonsense from start to finish.

100% a rambling of an old fool

 

[spiny]

Just now, Etihad Campus(Medlock Yards) is an event destination, not an everyday destination

I don't think the aim was ever to create an "everyday destination". That may evolve.

Birminghams International Conference Centre has attracted surrounding development and hospitality businesses without the level of footfall to be generated by matchdays, Coop Live, extended Etihad facilites as well as other developments.

We need to wait and see how it all pans out. However, Khaldoon did refer to the North Stand development as a game changer. I can see a massive increase in matchday revenue, that has previously lagged behing other major clubs.

 

[SWP's back]

Nobody is saying these places will be serving KFC-level food, but you are completely missing the structural flaw. A 400-room hotel and a busy concert arena don't change the fact that this is a manufactured, out-of-centre site. It is being built as a captive environment, not a neighbourhood.

Think about Manchester Airport’s Terminal 2. It has plenty of "premium" dining, but it is entirely functional and synthetic. It exists only to serve people who have no other choice because they are already stuck in the departures hall. That is exactly what this development is—a glossy, high-end waiting room for the arena.

The reality is that no top-tier chef is going to pour their heart and soul into a setup like this. They want creative freedom and a community they can build a relationship with, not a corporate rotation where the menu is dictated by regional head office and the customer base is just a transient swarm of concert or match-goers.

Look at the Printworks. That is in the absolute heart of the city, surrounded by hotels, office blocks, shops, and massive footfall, and it has struggled for years to maintain relevance because it is a manufactured cluster of chains rather than a genuine destination. If a site in the middle of town with constant organic traffic struggles, what chance does a concrete island in East Manchester have once the stadium lights go out?

You can point to future developments or the hotel capacity all you want, but you are describing a corporate ecosystem that relies on a constant, artificial supply of people. Once that supply hits a lull, the lack of a real, local community will expose these venues for exactly what they are: sterile, managed environments with zero local roots.

Have a day off.

 

[bladdered]

Look at the Printworks. That is in the absolute heart of the city, surrounded by hotels, office blocks, shops, and massive footfall, and it has struggled for years to maintain relevance because it is a manufactured cluster of chains rather than a genuine destination. If a site in the middle of town with constant organic traffic struggles, what chance does a concrete island in East Manchester have once the stadium lights go out?

Printworks is amazing. Whenever my Yorkie friends ask for Manc recommendations I always tell them to check it out. They are normally blown away. The ceiling is worth a visit alone.

Not sure how it's supposedly struggling. But it will be heaving before and after the game tomorrow and on Monday I'm sure.

 

[jrb]

All I can say is, what’s there now is a different universe to what was there before the 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games, and after City took the Etihad stadium and the Etihad Campus as it’s now called, over. Sheikh Mansour and City have invested billions in the Etihad Campus and East Manchester, and have created 1000’s of new jobs. With more investment, proposals, and jobs to come for East Manchester. We should all be grateful and happy about that.

 

[jrb]

Printworks is amazing. Whenever my Yorkie friends ask for Manc recommendations I always tell them to check it out. They are normally blown away. The ceiling is worth a visit alone.

Not sure how it's supposedly struggling. But it will be heaving before and after the game tomorrow and on Monday I'm sure.

https://smry.ai/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/what-happening-printworks-33948691

 

[anyoldblu]

It’s not about negativity; it’s about acknowledging the difference between a destination and a captive environment.

There is nothing wrong with an event hub being exactly that: an event hub. The Etihad Campus will be a highly functional, massive corporate machine that will absolutely rake in the cash when the stadium or arena is live. The comparison to Wembley is fair; it’s a high-volume processing centre that will make its money by serving factory food and fake Japanese beer at a substantial margin.

My point is that people are conflating a busy matchday with a vibrant, organic neighbourhood. The two are not the same. The developers have engineered a suite of on-trend, bespoke-looking brands to manufacture the illusion of a premium, local experience, but it is just a glossy veneer over a corporate operation. They have built a world-class waiting room for the arena. It is fine for what it is, but let’s stop pretending that a Radisson hotel and a few curated marketing fronts for factory food create a genuine, year-round community. It is an events machine, nothing more.

 

[pride in battle]

It’s not about negativity; it’s about acknowledging the difference between a destination and a captive environment.

There is nothing wrong with an event hub being exactly that: an event hub. The Etihad Campus will be a highly functional, massive corporate machine that will absolutely rake in the cash when the stadium or arena is live. The comparison to Wembley is fair; it’s a high-volume processing centre that will make its money by serving factory food and fake Japanese beer at a substantial margin.

My point is that people are conflating a busy matchday with a vibrant, organic neighbourhood. The two are not the same. The developers have engineered a suite of on-trend, bespoke-looking brands to manufacture the illusion of a premium, local experience, but it is just a glossy veneer over a corporate operation. They have built a world-class waiting room for the arena. It is fine for what it is, but let’s stop pretending that a Radisson hotel and a few curated marketing fronts for factory food create a genuine, year-round community. It is an events machine, nothing more.

And ??? What's your problem, seriously you just come across as a moaning ****

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

He is not ranting; he is giving an opinion

Just now, Etihad Campus(Medlock Yards) is an event destination, not an everyday destination

You have to look at the facts, the area will be busy when the COOP Live is on, so the restaurants, cafes and hotels will be busy

The area will be busy when a game is on, but the hotel and restaurants may not be

The area will have ok footfall when Mamma Mia Live is on. This may help the hotel, but you will be eating at Mamma Mia Live

The Holt's Town development is key, as this brings your constant footfall if you look at the Wembley set-up

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Metlock Yards needs to become a hub, a destination

We are copying the Wembley blueprint so far

Wembley- Etihad

OVO Arena- Coop Live

Troubadour Wembley Park Theatre-Mamma Mia Live



To bring constant footfall, you need shopping and other leisure activities, which will keep the cafes and restaurants busy, but at the moment, does this work

Look at the Quayside

I visited 'ghost' shopping centre getting £10m revamp — can't come soon enough

Quayside has around 30 units currently sitting empty.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Essentially the Holt Town scheme, the big Development on the nearby former retail park, and the relentless growth of Ancoats will just merge into the City centre. There is also the Mayfield development. Then the footfall will increase dramatically.

 

[WRicko]

It’s not about negativity; it’s about acknowledging the difference between a destination and a captive environment.

There is nothing wrong with an event hub being exactly that: an event hub. The Etihad Campus will be a highly functional, massive corporate machine that will absolutely rake in the cash when the stadium or arena is live. The comparison to Wembley is fair; it’s a high-volume processing centre that will make its money by serving factory food and fake Japanese beer at a substantial margin.

My point is that people are conflating a busy matchday with a vibrant, organic neighbourhood. The two are not the same. The developers have engineered a suite of on-trend, bespoke-looking brands to manufacture the illusion of a premium, local experience, but it is just a glossy veneer over a corporate operation. They have built a world-class waiting room for the arena. It is fine for what it is, but let’s stop pretending that a Radisson hotel and a few curated marketing fronts for factory food create a genuine, year-round community. It is an events machine, nothing more.

It might not be a community tho the people in the flats over the road near ASDA and in other areas might disagree. However I accept your point that the campus isn’t a community and I accept it’s manufactured what I don’t accept is the implication of significant down time. You mention match day therefore minimizing the arena, workspace, hotel, museum, shop, Mama Mia, the sky walk. It will be year round and when fully up and running it will be a 365 day venue that’s what we are promised. We where never promised a community.

I bet a lot of people will see it at more of a destination than some of the places other people are talking about such as the northern quarter I bet blues are traveling from further afield today to go the stadium than people are traveling to go to the northern quarter.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

It might not be a community tho the people in the flats over the road near ASDA and in other areas might disagree. However I accept your point that the campus isn’t a community and I accept it’s manufactured what I don’t accept is the implication of significant down time. You mention match day therefore minimizing the arena, workspace, hotel, museum, shop, Mama Mia, the sky walk. It will be year round and when fully up and running it will be a 365 day venue that’s what we are promised. We where never promised a community.

I bet a lot of people will see it at more of a destination than some of the places other people are talking about such as the northern quarter I bet blues are traveling from further afield today to go the stadium than people are traveling to go to the northern quarter.

I think what he is trying to say is an event destination. And new business will sing or swim on that. It's not going to be a destination like the Trafford Centre or Therme.

To quote Field of Dreams, if you built they will come

So it's up to the club to make it an everyday destination. That will draw people there to keep these businesses going

Look at spinningfields, for example

The surrounding area is going to be transformed over the next ten years



You have loads of land that is not being used to its best, which could be better used to help create a destination.

You also have the elephant in the room, transportation

Please look at the Hydro development in Glasgow, which is about 30 minutes from the major shopping area, very similar to the Ehihad Campus from the shopping area in Manchester

So you need to give people a reason to visit the campus daily, not just when an event is on

If you look at every major development now, they are using green spaces better to help create an extra destination

If you added Philips Park to the campus and invested money into the area, this would attract footfall from Holt Town and other new housing developments that are being built in East Manchester

 

[jrb]

This is the future of football stadia redevelopment.

Numerous clubs around the world are now doing it.

Leeds United is another example.

Their proposals for an expanded Elland Road, and the redevelopment of the empty plots of land round Elland Road, which include living, leisure, retail, workspace, etc.






And.






Once the North stand, the hotel, the fan zone, and the offices are all completed, we will then hopefully hear about the next phase of the Etihad Campus and Collar site redevelopment, minus Mamma Mia, which we already know is happening this year.

 

[asahartford1]

You could spend all day and all night at the Etihad stadium next season for a day and a night out without leaving it. Hotel, the fan zone, match, hotel, restaurant, music, dancing. It's a destination in it's own right, if you want it to be.

When will the Museum open, do you think it will be a genuine museum as opposed to a child friendly interactice venture like the football museum has become.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

This is the only thing holding the campus back

 

[Tim of the Oak]

This is the only thing holding the campus back

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Leeds have been talking about reintroducing a tram system for over 30 years. They’ve been talking about train service that links the airport with the City Centre and the White Rose Centre, via Elland Road, for about half that time. At least we’ve had the Metro and an increased volume of match day buses to the Etihad.

Leeds are also trying to copy our walk way approach.

 

[bladdered]

This is the only thing holding the campus back

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There is more chance of that happening in our lifetime than there is of Tracy Brabin making a stage comeback in a granny version of Rita, Sue and Bob too...