All things Jack Grealish

Some delusion on this thread. Unless Jack can show he's sorted out his 'lifestyle issues' (phrased diplomatically for the benefit of the sensitive souls on this thread) then he isn't coming back, certainly not as a key player. He potentially has a lot to offer but he needs to behave as a professional athlete, not a lad about town.
 
The last thing the new manager needs is someone who comes with all the extra noise that Grealish brings.

Under Pep it didn't matter, he dealt with it and our performances meant no one cared anyway. But the media will be circling like vultures waiting to pounce on anything and claim there's unrest within the club or that there are bigger issues.

Grealish had his time with us and remains a very good player, but we have to move on now.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Some delusion on this thread. Unless Jack can show he's sorted out his 'lifestyle issues' (phrased diplomatically for the benefit of the sensitive souls on this thread) then he isn't coming back, certainly not as a key player. He potentially has a lot to offer but he needs to behave as a professional athlete, not a lad about town.
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As I’ve alluded to, and I don’t believe I am alone in this, a far far greater concern is the member of the club’s medical team who is going around giving out personal health details of club employees to people off the internet.

Some people want Jack back, some don’t. Comme ci, comme ça. In the great scheme of things, and of this club’s forward trajectory, it doesn’t make an earth shattering difference either way. Great players have always been replaced etc.
What is a major concern however is the leak of Jack being a functioning alcoholic that “the club have stated”. This goes directly to the heart of the club and if what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then City has a major issue within the walls of the club that we have somebody in a position of trust who is gossiping about player welfare.
As the person who was given the news that Jack is a functioning alcoholic it is, I would say, incumbent upon you to report this to the club hierarchy, and if said leaker was a member of the medical team (as presumably they are by dint of them diagnosing Jack as a functioning alcoholic - not something a non-medical person would be able to diagnose) then further reporting to the relevant professional boards would also be prescient.
 
supercity88 said:
The last thing the new manager needs is someone who comes with all the extra noise that Grealish brings.

Under Pep it didn't matter, he dealt with it and our performances meant no one cared anyway. But the media will be circling like vultures waiting to pounce on anything and claim there's unrest within the club or that there are bigger issues.

Grealish had his time with us and remains a very good player, but we have to move on now.
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As much as I like the lad, and would love to see him 'come good' back with us, I agree with this. That boat has long sailed imo.
 
supercity88 said:
The last thing the new manager needs is someone who comes with all the extra noise that Grealish brings.

Under Pep it didn't matter, he dealt with it and our performances meant no one cared anyway. But the media will be circling like vultures waiting to pounce on anything and claim there's unrest within the club or that there are bigger issues.

Grealish had his time with us and remains a very good player, but we have to move on now.
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How would Grealish integrate back into the City team? His option of always passing back inside to Bernardo Silva isn’t there anymore, he isn’t going to develop his game further at 30 years of age. Will be round the squad for preseason then shipped out elsewhere on loan at the end of August.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
As I’ve alluded to, and I don’t believe I am alone in this, a far far greater concern is the member of the club’s medical team who is going around giving out personal health details of club employees to people off the internet.

Some people want Jack back, some don’t. Comme ci, comme ça. In the great scheme of things, and of this club’s forward trajectory, it doesn’t make an earth shattering difference either way. Great players have always been replaced etc.
What is a major concern however is the leak of Jack being a functioning alcoholic that “the club have stated”. This goes directly to the heart of the club and if what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then City has a major issue within the walls of the club that we have somebody in a position of trust who is gossiping about player welfare.
As the person who was given the news that Jack is a functioning alcoholic it is, I would say, incumbent upon you to report this to the club hierarchy, and if said leaker was a member of the medical team (as presumably they are by dint of them diagnosing Jack as a functioning alcoholic - not something a non-medical person would be able to diagnose) then further reporting to the relevant professional boards would also be prescient.
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There are players who are alcoholics, addicted to medications, use illegal drugs, have significant gambling debts, are rapists or other sexual deviants and are corrupt, taking money to fix games. They use the protection of their clubs, their agents and a complicit media to ensure these misdemeanours never come to light.

Personally I'd prefer to know these things so these players either get help, are sacked or get prosecuted for the worst offences, like you or I would if we turned up to work under the influence of drink, drugs or were suspected of rape.
 
Mr HJ said:
Always felt that Jack was playing within himself a bit under Pep's system. If he can come back and be an option to play when Cherki needs rest or is out of form it's a no brainer for me - I wouldn't want to see him put in on the left wing again because we need more goal threat and I think Doku will get to 10 goals next season - bookmark that ha! I would love Jack to play with freedom and expression and see where that takes him.

I remember 2 seasons ago he played as a 10 in a game (can't recall which exact one) and he was motm only to be put back on the bench the next game then back on the wing when he returned to the 11.

We'll soon find out if it's paper talk but the lad does seem to like all things City which is a bonus.
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It was against Forest in an open game where he was able to carry the ball-and did look decent there.
The next game he was again playing as the 10 at Juventus-and he was dreadful.

If he was good enough to play inside for us he would have done-he isn't agile enough and doesn't have the ability to play there-that's why he plays wide left.

He's also a liablity and a likely functioning alcoholic. I loved him during the treble season but that ship has sailed.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
There are players who are alcoholics, addicted to medications, use illegal drugs, have significant gambling debts, are rapists or other sexual deviants and are corrupt, taking money to fix games. They use the protection of their clubs, their agents and a complicit media to ensure these misdemeanours never come to light.

Personally I'd prefer to know these things so these players either get help, are sacked or get prosecuted for the worst offences, like you or I would if we turned up to work under the influence of drink, drugs or were suspected of rape.
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Don’t disagree that Jack (or anybody else) would need help if suffering from alcohol addiction.
My point was, and is, that if City employees are gossiping about such afflictions in fellow employees they need to be outed and sacked. As a bare minimum.

I also don’t think as fans on a forum we have any right, need, or duty to be told about these things. Would you want one of your colleagues gossiping about your private health matters to strangers on the internet for all the world to see? I know I wouldn’t and if they did I would want them dismissed.
You’re an accountant of some experience by trade so you’re well used to the concept of professional ethics, it is incumbent on you to bring this gossiping to the clubs attention. Whomever is doing it has to be sacked. This isn’t simple gossip (“so and so wasn’t really injured ,he was hungover”), this is malicious, deeply unprofessional, quite possibly defamatory, and the most serious breach of trust. And it’s taking place within the club we all love and support.
It’s Jack today. What if it was Erling tomorrow?
 
Kazzydeyna said:
As I’ve alluded to, and I don’t believe I am alone in this, a far far greater concern is the member of the club’s medical team who is going around giving out personal health details of club employees to people off the internet.

Some people want Jack back, some don’t. Comme ci, comme ça. In the great scheme of things, and of this club’s forward trajectory, it doesn’t make an earth shattering difference either way. Great players have always been replaced etc.
What is a major concern however is the leak of Jack being a functioning alcoholic that “the club have stated”. This goes directly to the heart of the club and if what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then City has a major issue within the walls of the club that we have somebody in a position of trust who is gossiping about player welfare.
As the person who was given the news that Jack is a functioning alcoholic it is, I would say, incumbent upon you to report this to the club hierarchy, and if said leaker was a member of the medical team (as presumably they are by dint of them diagnosing Jack as a functioning alcoholic - not something a non-medical person would be able to diagnose) then further reporting to the relevant professional boards would also be prescient.
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People arent giving out medical information nor leaking things either.

If that was the case, this would be a much much bigger story.

People are simply building on gossip (not saying it is unfounded), that has made it's way around. It is a big club with lots of people around, and gossip will happen. And then people will use that for whatever purpose they fancy.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Don’t disagree that Jack (or anybody else) would need help if suffering from alcohol addiction.
My point was, and is, that if City employees are gossiping about such afflictions in fellow employees they need to be outed and sacked. As a bare minimum.

I also don’t think as fans on a forum we have any right, need, or duty to be told about these things. Would you want one of your colleagues gossiping about your private health matters to strangers on the internet for all the world to see? I know I wouldn’t and if they did I would want them dismissed.
You’re an accountant of some experience by trade so you’re well used to the concept of professional ethics, it is incumbent on you to bring this gossiping to the clubs attention. Whomever is doing it has to be sacked. This isn’t simple gossip (“so and so wasn’t really injured ,he was hungover”), this is malicious, deeply unprofessional, quite possibly defamatory, and the most serious breach of trust. And it’s taking place within the club we all love and support.
It’s Jack today. What if it was Erling tomorrow?
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That's a fair point and in fact I have had a situation where my medical details were revealed to someone else by my line manager, and I wasn't best pleased.

I'd counter though by saying that his drinking is a lifestyle choice, not a medical condition, plus there's numerous pictures and stories of him, like the most recent one, out of his head in bars, or leaving clubs in the early hours worse for wear either during the season or when he's supposed to be recovering from injury. So it's hardly a secret is it?

It's pretty well an open secret that he has a drink problem so all-in-all I don't particularly feel the need to be discreet. Personally I want my players to be role models and good ambassadors for the club. Being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week as a professional sportsman entitles his employers to expect an appropriate level of professionalism.

As I've said before on here, sometimes people with addictions who don't recognise they have a problem, and refuse to deal with it, need shaming in the hope they do deal with it. The worst thing you can do for these people is mollycoddle and protect them.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That's a fair point and in fact I have had a situation where my medical details were revealed to someone else by my line manager, and I wasn't best pleased.

I'd counter though by saying that his drinking is a lifestyle choice, not a medical condition, plus there's numerous pictures and stories of him, like the most recent one, out of his head in bars, or leaving clubs in the early hours worse for wear either during the season or when he's supposed to be recovering from injury. So it's hardly a secret is it?

It's pretty well an open secret that he has a drink problem so all-in-all I don't particularly feel the need to be discreet. Personally I want my players to be role models and good ambassadors for the club. Being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week as a professional sportsman entitles his employers to expect an appropriate level of professionalism.

As I've said before on here, sometimes people with addictions who don't recognise they have a problem, and refuse to deal with it, need shaming in the hope they do deal with it. The worst thing you can do for these people is mollycoddle and protect them.
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Yep, don’t disagree with what you’ve said here. And for clarity, I wasn’t saying YOU had done anything wrong per se, who wouldn’t repeat info like that on a City fan forum?
My issue was with the person(s) who shared the view that Jack was a functioning alcoholic etc. If they’re from the med team that is a huge no no. If they’re not, it’s a bit salacious and should be kept to themselves IMO.

I’m not known as a sensitive type, I honestly go through life trying to live by the maxim “live and let live, keep out of people’s shit as much as possible”, but the thought of someone passing on this sort of info ground my gears a bit.
I also think we’re all on here a bit extra sensitive at the moment, we’ve had Pep leaving and the 115 bollocks still hanging over us (great work on that thread over the years by the way).
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Some delusion on this thread. Unless Jack can show he's sorted out his 'lifestyle issues' (phrased diplomatically for the benefit of the sensitive souls on this thread) then he isn't coming back, certainly not as a key player. He potentially has a lot to offer but he needs to behave as a professional athlete, not a lad about town.
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Well, the basics of it are this - his loan spell at Everton is over in June. So, he IS coming back because he's still under contract with us. Have we heard anything from Everton that they want to extend the loan or have him come back permanently? Has any other club made inquiries to us for Jack? If not, then he's coming back. Only question is whether we keep him.

I agree that any move back would see Jack play more in the middle as the left is now Doku's. But if Marmoush and Savinho leave, I think its worth having a talk with Jack and asking him about his dedication and fitness.
 
If he was known to be a "functioning alcoholic" he'd barely command any transfer fee. Anyway, I don't believe it.

Also, too much time has past and with a new regime coming in, I very much doubt that they'd want to regress and re-integrate Jack.

I wouldn't want him to return.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Some delusion on this thread. Unless Jack can show he's sorted out his 'lifestyle issues' (phrased diplomatically for the benefit of the sensitive souls on this thread) then he isn't coming back, certainly not as a key player. He potentially has a lot to offer but he needs to behave as a professional athlete, not a lad about town.
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I agree, but I do think the change in manager does give him a potential lifeline to come back.

Only Grealish can know if he wants that or if he’s mentally in a position to do that even if he wants to, or if he can convince Maresca to go for it.
 
Don Karleone said:
Is alcoholism not a medical condition?
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I'm not a doctor but I believe it's classed as a psychological condition.

But when people talk about the sensitivity of medical details, there are conditions you can see and those you can't. I wear hearing aids, so you'd know that I'm hard of hearing. If I only had one arm or leg, you'd know that just by looking at me. If I had a plaster cast on my arm or leg, you'd know I'd fractured the limb.

If I'm seen out of my head in, or coming out of, a bar regularly, you'd be able to have a fair guess that I'm a piss head.

We had Kevin Horlock as a guest at our OSC branch last night. We had Andy Morrison as well a few months ago. Both are recovering alcoholics and both talked about the lies they told themselves and the state they were both in. Super Kev is apparently persona non grata at City after getting completely hammered when he was in Porto for the 2021 CL Final. I think he said he was there on media duties but was too pissed. He seriously contemplated suicide at one point he was in such a state. Here's a link to a podcast he did:

People aren't helping sufferers by sweeping their problems under the carpet, or pretending they don't have problems. If I can convince one person with an addiction problem to recognise that, and get help for it, then I'm happy.
 
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Mr HJ said:
Always felt that Jack was playing within himself a bit under Pep's system. If he can come back and be an option to play when Cherki needs rest or is out of form it's a no brainer for me - I wouldn't want to see him put in on the left wing again because we need more goal threat and I think Doku will get to 10 goals next season - bookmark that ha! I would love Jack to play with freedom and expression and see where that takes him.

I remember 2 seasons ago he played as a 10 in a game (can't recall which exact one) and he was motm only to be put back on the bench the next game then back on the wing when he returned to the 11.

We'll soon find out if it's paper talk but the lad does seem to like all things City which is a bonus.
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Your talking about the Forrst game and he wasn't man of the match.
 
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