Henry Nowak murder

CWAC blue said:
He was a part of the Nihang sect of Sikh, which does have a tradition of carrying the larger blade. So yes it is a Sikh knife but isn’t exempt like the Kirpan.
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The is a GBeebies video of all things saying it wasn’t a Kirpan and not Sikh and the intial reports last week said it was another knife not the Kurpan probably reports before they saying it was now they say Sikh knife. Tho I have read online that it was in-fact and Indo Pakistan knife and as you say not exempt either way
 
WRicko said:
The is a GBeebies video of all things saying it wasn’t a Kirpan and not Sikh and the intial reports last week said it was another knife not the Kurpan probably reports before they saying it was now they say Sikh knife. Tho I have read online that it was in-fact and Indo Pakistan knife and as you say not exempt either way
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Not an expert myself but from the trial.
But the CPS said Digwa chose to carry two ceremonial knives and that the judge's finding of fact made clear he agreed with its assessment that the weapon used was a kirpan.
For me it’s an irrelevance, he was stabbed by a scrote, whether that be a black, brown or white scrote is irrelevant. The point being questioned is the police response.
 
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manclad said:
Correction Ric .
Everybody is allowed to carry a knife on their person when out and about in public places.
The law stipulates that it must be a folding knife,with a blade that is 3" long maximum.
And the blade must not lock when opened, so lock knives are strictly forbidden.
This allows for the fact that a knife is a tool( indeed prehistoric humans first tool were sharp pieces of flint).

Also whilst on the subject, the use of the 2 words " knife crime" is a huge misnomer.
A knife is an inanimate object, I've never heard about a knife or other type of blade jumping out of it's sheath and attacking someone.
The correct term for using a weapon to attack someone is VIOLENT CRIME, and these crimes are committed by VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
I have yet to hear or read about a knife or blades article being found guilty of murder or even manslaughter in a court of law, because as already stated it's an inanimate object with no mind of it's own.
Here endeth the lesson.
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Whilst I totally agree with this post, I don’t seem to recall anything approaching this about the gun laws in the USA. Same point isn’t it?
 
CWAC blue said:
Not an expert myself but from the trial.
But the CPS said Digwa chose to carry two ceremonial knives and that the judge's finding of fact made clear he agreed with its assessment that the weapon used was a kirpan.
For me it’s an irrelevance, he was stabbed by a scrote, whether that be a black, brown or white scrote is irrelevant. The point being questioned is the police response.
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Heartofoakes64 said:
Whilst I totally agree with this post, I don’t seem to recall anything approaching this about the gun laws in the USA. Same point isn’t it?
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What have gun laws in the USA ( very complex laws as each individual state has it's own laws on owning and carrying firearms) got to do with a law that allows people in the UK to carry a small folding non lockable knife.
Your post doesn't make any sense at all.
 
manclad said:
What have gun laws in the USA ( very complex laws as each individual state has it's own laws on owning and carrying firearms) got to do with a law that allows people in the UK to carry a small folding non lockable knife.
Your post doesn't make any sense at all.
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Oh dear, the analogy is the carrying of deadly weapons
 
expatblue said:
Interestingly you quote actual invasions and the most recent one of those invasions being a thousands years ago, that ship probably stayed afloat for the past thousand years considering we aren't being invaded.
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Fair enough. And I've always admired old King Harold and even older Boudicca as heroes for lost causes, while accepting they were on the wrong side of history. I just hope the modern "take it elsewhere" folk (Farage, etc.) are too, nowt heroic about them.
 
manclad said:
What have gun laws in the USA ( very complex laws as each individual state has it's own laws on owning and carrying firearms) got to do with a law that allows people in the UK to carry a small folding non lockable knife.
Your post doesn't make any sense at all.
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Neither does someone who uses it's when they mean its, in every post.
 
AliBobbyJ said:
100% right re. same laws for all and equal justice under them. Thank you to Magna Carta, the Enlightenment, Tom Paine, Emily Pankhurst, etc.

But "take your culture elsewhere"? Nasty stuff, that. And apart from its nastiness, it doesn't work. Going back a bit the Celts would have said "take your culture elsewhere" to the Romans, as would Saxons to Normans and so on through 2,000 years of Britain's story. And what emerged from that mix of languages, laws, religions and customs was not a monocultural people. Arguably never has been. "Take it elsewhere" isn't just a ship that's sailed, it's sunk.
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Nasty stuff is plunging a ceremonial knife repeatedly into an 18 year old kid, the rest I couldn’t give a fuck about
 
bert38 said:
That’s a lot of crap to read before my first coffee.

‘Apply laws evenly and without prejudice’ Do you realise applying laws evenly results in prejudice?
Two tier? No evidence of that in policing-it’s another right wing slogan designed to whip up the ignorant. In fact it was more two tier when police forces were found to be institutionally racist-the far right grifters are desperately trying to undo years of work as part of their culture wars.

Wasn’t the knife Digwa used illegal anyhow?
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Clueless and deluded
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Depends where. Reckon it’s a pretty sedate life as a copper in counties such as Dorset and Northumbria.

WMP, GMP and the MPS, not so much.

And forces like Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire and Surrey are having to deal with a lot more OCG and county lines stuff these days.
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Northumbria police cover Newcastle...

And no-one commits murder in rural areas.

Even in Dorset.
www.plumplot.co.uk

Bournemouth violent crime stats in maps and graphs 5/2026

Crime rate trends and ranking. Comparison to national crime rate and to other postcode areas.
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hilts said:
Only this, the fucking nonsense people speak about, a kid is dead, his last moments were handcuffed scared with his murderer stood watching, the police were a shambles. That is it. End of story.
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thank you, astounds me anyone looks beyond this, nothing goes above someone losing their life. Religion/culture whatever you want to call it pales into insignificance for me. Respect your fellow man above anything no matter their background and if we cannot do that remove all the potential risks, knives, guns and people with warped ideologies.
 
Vic said:
Northumbria police cover Newcastle...

And no-one commits murder in rural areas.
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They do tbf. Had forgot that. Strike them off and replace with North Yorkshire.

And yes there are still crimes in rural areas, just like there are people living in poverty in Kensington and Chelsea, doesn’t mean that policing from force to force us the same as it plainly isn’t.
 
fathellensbellend said:
thank you, astounds me anyone looks beyond this, nothing goes above someone losing their life. Religion/culture whatever you want to call it pales into insignificance for me. Respect your fellow man above anything no matter their background and if we cannot do that remove all the potential risks, knives, guns and people with warped ideologies.
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Amen brother, I think the answer to most things is dont be a **** to each other.
 
Police wanted to combat misinformation...with misinformation.


Some big brains in that department, for sure. Yet some still wonder why many of us don't trust the police?
 
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