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He needs to learn how to defend. I'm sure a few games in a league where Bradley Wright Phillips was the standout striker is going to do wonders for him
 
An exciting young prospect and will be a great experience for the lad.....I wish him all the best.
 
Damocles said:
He needs to learn how to defend. I'm sure a few games in a league where Bradley Wright Phillips was the standout striker is going to do wonders for him
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I'm with you on this - the MLS shouldn't test Angelino at all. He really needs to work on the defensive side of his game and that isn't likely to be challenged at all in that league. To those running comparisons with the SPL and Denayer, he had the opportunity to play in Europe against Inter and went to Celtic being very capable on the ball. He needed to learn how to use his strength and defend a bit grittily whilst also keeping his ball playing attributes. In short, whilst the quality of the league mightn't have been the best, it provided tests for him and enabled him to improve.

I don't think we'll be able to read much from Angelino's performances at NYCFC. As Damocles says, League 1 standard players have excelled there and Angelino should be able to showcase his attacking talents. Best we can hope for is that a European team will like what they see and give him a loan for the rest of the season.
 
Yeah Angelino won't be challenged in that sense, but the experience he will gain is playing for a team where games actually matter. And most importantly, against grown men. The PL is physically brutal on even talented youngsters. A great opportunity to get him experience rather than waste time on vacation.
 
It's not a perfect move for him, but in all honesty I think the positives do outweigh the negatives. We don't know what else, if anything, was on the table in terms of interest. If there wasn't any, or the coaches believe Angelino wouldn't have benefitted from a UK loan, then I think this has to be considered in his best interests at the current time.

If it doesn't work out he'll be back with us in October match fit and ready for another challenge.
 
His skill level probably won't be challenged but his overall fitness and toughness will be. MLS leads the world in late tackles and ankle breakers.
 
He must be some player. I say get him in the first team and make him captain. I mean, if the MLS isn't a test for an 18 year old kid who's never played a competitive match, what a we wasting our time for.

A good, if unorthodox, move for a few months, allowing a decision to be made about the 2nd half of his season.
 
SO much negativity. I think its a great move for the lad. I don't think he is physically ready for the Championship/Premier league so why not. Ok the standard isnt great but it is still competitive and against grown men. He will come back a more complete player/man.
 
Don't see a problem with it at all. There are a lot of steps from youth team football to our first team and a lot of time to take them, I don't see any need to take giant steps at a time. The MLS is undeniably a higher standard than the EDS and it will obviously be a step in the right direction, just so long as he actually plays regularly. He's still only 18, he's got all the time in the world.
 
Another thing, in recent years no previous loan moves (so far) have seen an EDS player progress to the first team, so its not like we are straying from the magic formula. Why not try something new?
 
mansour's tow ropes said:
Another thing, in recent years no previous loan moves (so far) have seen an EDS player progress to the first team, so its not like we are straying from the magic formula. Why not try something new?
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Because hardly any of the players we loaned out were good enough for the first team & the ones that are, may be about to get the chance pre season ?
 
Neville Kneville said:
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Because hardly any of the players we loaned out were good enough for the first team & the ones that are, may be about to get the chance pre season ?
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The point was that those yearning for a Championship loan don't yet have anything to back the suggestion up with, not least for an 18 year old yet to play a competitive game.
 
I think the move could be beneficial. Yes, the MLS won't help him develop his defensive side, blah, blah...it's still better than him being on vacation. Now he can join back match-fit for pre-season and probably get a meaningful loan in Europe.

Any idea when he makes his debut?
 
Why wouldn't he improve his defensive abilities in the MLS? He's going from a team where he hardly does any defending to a team who does a lot, just because he isn't playing against Robben or Messi doesn't mean it won't be a test.

If anyone under 21 goes to New York City is a plus point, it's a great move.
 
mansour's tow ropes said:
Another thing, in recent years no previous loan moves (so far) have seen an EDS player progress to the first team, so its not like we are straying from the magic formula. Why not try something new?
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Didn't Gudietti come back to the squad following one of his loans and prior to going to Stoke or after Stoke. He was very promising in the Dutch the league, got minimal game time with stoke and then had a good start with Celtic but then it seemed to tail off.
Those loans were a perfect demonstration of how you can test these players over time in senior football, you get a feel for their level and they get to build a name for themselves. Gudietti could have spent all that time getting the odd sub appearance with us and we would still be no clearer of his level and he would be seriously short of game time.
Angelino needs to go through the same sort of thing. MLS is probably not far of Scottish football arguably better in that there is at least genuine competition between a good number of clubs and some big crowds.
 
Damocles said:
He needs to learn how to defend. I'm sure a few games in a league where Bradley Wright Phillips was the standout striker is going to do wonders for him
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Ignorant to say the least. The league is very physically demanding and competitive, with a lot of pace and a sprinkling of top quality players. Just because BWP has finally found some confidence and a team/league that suits him doesn't mean it's a terrible league (although I'll concede it's not brilliant). He'll have to defend vs experienced players like Keane, Dempsey, Martins, Kaka, Giovinco, Gerrard, Maloney, Altidore, Doyle and whoever moves there this summer (Ronaldinho, Hernandez and Drogba strongly rumored) and quite a few speed merchants (David Accam, Erik Hurtado, Lloyd Sam, Dominic Oduro, Kakuta Manneh, Fabian Castillo etc) who are always a handful.

For a player making his FIRST steps into professional football, MLS isn't a bad place to be. Certainly no worse than say League 1 or the Championship, as we can easily keep tabs on the player and we can be sure that he is playing the right style of football. When he comes back to City we can loan him to a better league as he'll have had some public exposure. Not to mention he'll be learning from the excellent Andoni Iraola.
 
kun said:
Ignorant to say the least. The league is very physically demanding and competitive, with a lot of pace and a sprinkling of top quality players. Just because BWP has finally found some confidence and a team/league that suits him doesn't mean it's a terrible league (although I'll concede it's not brilliant). He'll have to defend vs experienced players like Keane, Dempsey, Martins, Kaka, Giovinco, Gerrard, Maloney, Altidore, Doyle and whoever moves there this summer (Ronaldinho, Hernandez and Drogba strongly rumored) and quite a few speed merchants (David Accam, Erik Hurtado, Lloyd Sam, Dominic Oduro, Kakuta Manneh, Fabian Castillo etc) who are always a handful.

For a player making his FIRST steps into professional football, MLS isn't a bad place to be. Certainly no worse than say League 1 or the Championship, as we can easily keep tabs on the player and we can be sure that he is playing the right style of football. When he comes back to City we can loan him to a better league as he'll have had some public exposure. Not to mention he'll be learning from the excellent Andoni Iraola.
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As an American (not sure you are or aren't) I would say that the MLS is a good move for Angelino. I, myself do not follow it as much because I'm more than aware the top clubs in the world reside in Europe. I watched a bit of the US-Holland match a couple weeks back and I cannot for the life of me remember who said it, but the quote was that "the top team in the MLS would be about mid-table in the Championship. I'd say that is a fair statement. Sure, they could probably beat any of those teams on the given day, but over the course of a season the MLS is still nowhere close to Europe's elite.

Thankfully, we're speaking of an 18 year old who will get valuable playing time while still playing against some players like you mentioned --- Gerrard, Lampard, Giovinco, Kaka, and others from the USMNT. Guess this just gives me another reason to tune in a tad more often when NYCFC is on the tube.
 
I am making a big assumption but my impression is that the players and staff in MLS take the game and themselves very seriously and this will be a big change from EDS football. My impression is that Facey has grown into a leadership role very quickly while at NYCFC and my hope is that Angelino will do the same. He could mature greatly at an MLS team...personal growth and self improvement up the wazzu :-)
 
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