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[SWP's back]

There are a lot of people who barely get that to live on for a week never mind spend on a child so the figure is ridiculous to many people. As for limiting the amount of children people can have? Bleurghhhh!

They aren't limiting the amount anyone can have at all.

Why are you saying that?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

But I love my dog and he's worth it.

Do the work shy still get an allowance for their pets?

 

[SWP's back]

Do the work shy still get an allowance for their pets?

I only give to beggars with dogs.

 

[yorknomore]

They aren't limiting the amount anyone can have at all.

Why are you saying that?

Posters on here are saying it I wasn't referring to the govt mate ;)

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Those studies are always bollocks.

Go here

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/tools/baby-cost-calculator

Taking out the one off purchases, a baby will cost about £30-40 p/w. Kids will cost a little more. The Government only pays £20 per week in Child Benefit

Child benefit would barely cover school dinner money these days - its £20.70pw for first child and and £13.70 for each subsequent child.

My original point was the single mum on Income Support who already has 4 children and is struggling then decides to have a 5th child at a cost to the state.

Go and have your 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th kid, just don't expect the taxpayer to fund it anymore. Hopefully todays changes will breed more responsibility and not children!

 

[Damocles]

I only give to beggars with dogs.

Speaking of beggars and dogs - Chinese stock market collapse. Should we be worried about it? How are house prices in China affected?

 

[Matty]

Inflation is 0.1%.

Next.

True, but the 1% payrise is set for the next 4 years. Inflation is currently at 0.1%, however if we look back at the rate from 12 months ago, then 24 months etc, going back 4 years we get the following:-

May 2015 - 0.1%
May 2014 - 1.5%
May 2013 - 2.7%
May 2012 - 2.8%
May 2011 - 4.5%

Setting the rate at 1% now isn't really all that bad, however we simply don't know what rate inflation will be at in May 2016, and it literally could be anything come May 2019 when the 4th year is reached. Inflation, over the last 6 months, has been at, or around, its lowest rate for a decade. It stands to reason that the most likely direction for this to move in is upwards. A 1% payrise, set for 4 years, is more likely than not, going to result in a real time pay reduction in the later years of the freeze.

 

[Damocles]

My original point was the single mum on Income Support who already has 4 children and is struggling then decides to have a 5th child at a cost to the state.

I'm not sure many "decide" to have it. Rather they conceive and abortion/adoption isn't something they could consider. This is the much much much much more common idea of how families grow

 

[SWP's back]

Speaking of beggars and dogs - Chinese stock market collapse. Should we be worried about it? How are house prices in China affected?

Not sure. It's a totally managed economy and doesn't react in any way that the rest of the world does. So anyone you read telling you x or y is purely guessing.

It would affect the yanks more than us though.

It's still up over the last 12 months.

 

[blueinsa]

Why only £5 Billion to be raised from cracking down on tax fraud/evasion when the gap is something around £40 billion?

If this was money being taken by so called benefit scroungers i can guarantee the amount targeted would be a hell of a lot higher"

 

[The Northern Baptist]

There are a lot of people who barely get that to live on for a week never mind spend on a child so the figure is ridiculous to many people. As for limiting the amount of children people can have? Bleurghhhh!

At the risk of repeating myself, I am not advocating stopping people having children, i am saying don't expect the taxpayer to fund your breeding habits anymore.
If you want children be responsible and make sure you are in a position to bring them up without a lifetime of support from the state

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Speaking of beggars and dogs - Chinese stock market collapse. Should we be worried about it? How are house prices in China affected?

Was just reading about this. It's a hell of a crash! Get your money into Vietnam apparently.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm not sure many "decide" to have it. Rather they conceive and abortion/adoption isn't something they could consider. This is the much much much much more common idea of how families grow

I've managed to get to age 33 without accidentally having 5 children. Or one for that matter.

Maybe after the third they should reevaluate their method of birth control. Or self control. Or pick up the remote control and watch TV instead.

 

[yorknomore]

At the risk of repeating myself, I am not advocating stopping people having children, i am saying don't expect the taxpayer to fund your breeding habits anymore.
If you want children be responsible and make sure you are in a position to bring them up without a lifetime of support from the state

That is still in effect saying that if you are fortunate to have the money then you can have more children, in my opinion it's wrong. Being priced out of a basic instinct like children by people who can afford to have as many as they want isn't democracy it's horrific ~runs around the room clutching at pearls and screaming "Think of the children !".

 

[Damocles]

Not sure. It's a totally managed economy and doesn't react in any way that the rest of the world does. So anyone you read telling you x or y is purely guessing.

It would affect the yanks more than us though.

It's still up over the last 12 months.

Got a mate with some pretty serious cash tied up in the Shanghai housing markets, no panic then?

 

[SWP's back]

That is still in effect saying that if you are fortunate to have the money then you can have more children, in my opinion it's wrong. Being priced out of a basic instinct like children by people who can afford to have as many as they want isn't democracy it's horrific ~runs around the room clutching at pearls and screaming "Think of the children !".

It's not wrong at all.

I still don't feel it's financially viable yet for me to have children and support them in the way I would want to, so I don't have any.

I'm not sure how that's a difficult point.

 

[SWP's back]

Got a mate with some pretty serious cash tied up in the Shanghai housing markets, no panic then?

So long as he doesn't need the cash in the next two years I wouldn't have thought so. But that's why diversification is always the key.

Eggs and baskets etc.

 

[Damocles]

I've managed to get to age 33 without accidentally having 5 children. Or one for that matter.

Maybe after the third they should reevaluate their method of birth control. Or self control. Or pick up the remote control and watch TV instead.

You'd have to find somebody willing to shag you before you could accidentally have kids mate

 

[SWP's back]

You'd have to find somebody willing to shag you before you could accidentally have kids mate

Good point.

 

[yorknomore]

It's not wrong at all.

I still don't feel it's financially viable yet for me to have children and support them in the way I would want to, so I don't have any.

I'm not sure how that's a difficult point.

But that's your choice and a choice you have made, you are making the mistake of assuming everyone can think like you even to the extent of an hormonal woman with a thundering biological clock driven to have children whatever the price can be advised that she can't afford to have children , that just doesn't work and it never will. I am not disagreeing with you in your circumstances but your circumstances aren't the circumstances of everybody.