Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[yorknomore]

Oh shit! I haven't got a solution to the Middle East crisis, well I'm in good company then, what I do know is we'll not bomb our way to a solution that's for sure.

As for capitalism, it's is the best mechanism for generating wealth bar none, but it's piss poor in distributing it, and increasingly piss poor at generating jobs that pay enough for a sizeable proportion of our population to live on, that's why the tax payer subsidises wages to the tune of billions, a direct subsidy to employers, we can generate the jobs but they don't add to our tax yield we have to top these wages up.

Capitalism left to it's own devices, particularly our "Anglo Saxon" version extracts too much in short term dividend and invests too little in growth, we need to look to the German model and we need a "national investment bank" we also need a "manufacturers bank" offering preferential rates to manufactures as they do in the Far East to address our over reliance on the financial sector. We need to ditch this austerity crap which just starves the economy of demand and instead embark of a massive infrastructure building programme preferably away from the South East. if we pump up the deficit who cares, we're doing that now any way to cover the social cost of failure. Money has never been so cheap, the world is awash with it looking for a safe return at record low rates, if we borrow to invest in productive capacity the economy grows and the debt shrinks. At present our debt (despite Tory boasts) has barely budged while growth in any meaningful sense for you and I is stagnant.

Good post mate, do you or can you see the way capitalism is run and wealth distributed changed in our lifetimes? Have the people at the top got it so locked down that nothing will change? If we have our own arab spring which form would it come in? I wouldn't want one like they have just had for sure.

Too many people on the planet hungry for resources whilst the very few farm us like animals and every political system designed to fail and be replaced by the last one that failed, the cycle just rolls on no matter how we try to change it. Optimism isn't my forte I suppose and I have seen too many promises broken and altruistic edicts fade like fog when the cash or power kick in.

I have leaned to grin and bear it knowing that no matter what I do it will not be heard unless it's on a local level if I am lucky, I am an anonymous unimportant carbon based life form who after 50 years of my death nobody will know existed.

 

[whp.blue]

I am left wing, but then as the political spectrum is usually divided as so

• • Far-left/Radical left
  • Left-wing
• Centre-left
• • Centre/Radical centre
• Centre-right
• • Right-wing
  • Far-right/Radical right

each type has so many interpretations you cannot put them all in one box, as for Liberalism as concieved by Locke is in essence anti conservative so of course more than likely the liberal posters, socialist, marxist, anarchists, Anarcho-sydicists (if we have any), and those who support civil rights movements, feminist movements, anti-war movements, and environmental movements will be anti-conservative so anti-right wing, that's not being wanker for the sake of it but nailing your colours to the mast.

You can dissagree with my politics and support tories, UKIP, etc that is anybodies right, but we should debate not start acting like kids calling people fake, morons, wankers etc during this whole thread there has been good conversations and then for a couple of pages it becomes a silly arguement then back to the debate. a quantum physics argument (If I recall correctly) that lent nothing to the thread comes to mind

What in gods name is Radical Centre surely that is just an Oxymoron?

 

[urban genie]

What in gods name is Radical Centre surely that is just an Oxymoron?

It's just the term they use to describe some Centrism in the US/UK one radical centrist text defines radical centrism as "idealism without illusions

 

[whp.blue]

At the last election we were moved out of Anne Coffey's Stockport by boundary changes into the Cheadle constituency where Labour is an irrelevance. Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party will simply reinforce the Tory majority over LibDem gained last time. This curious effect, prompted by naked fear, will be repeated in Tory/LibDem contested seats the country over.

This is one of the main reasons the Right have been voting for Corbyn just that the left wing loonies seem to be the only ones who fail to see it.
It will be a re-run of the Scottish results where the left wing never saw the SNP coming.

The stratagists in Left wing "Think Tanks" must be really stupid and need to get out more.

 

[whp.blue]

It's just the term they use to describe some Centrism in the US/UK one radical centrist text defines radical centrism as "idealism without illusions

That was a John F Kennedy Quote but I have never heard it used within the context of British Politics.

 

[urban genie]

That was a John F Kennedy Quote but I have never heard it used within the context of British Politics.

I only put it on because some liberals called their parties act of coalition as radical centerism, clegg declared himself as one, though I would say it's more of an american thing

 

[whp.blue]

I know, it is a testimony to how far right the centre ground of British politics has moved these last thirty years, that a moderate democratic socialist like Corbyn, suggesting the kind of economic model of mixed public and private ownership, quite common in Continental Europe, is considered hard line Trotskyist here.

Funny thing is though during the run up to the last Election, the Left wingers on Bluemoon argued, that the Country had in fact not veered to the right but it was just the poor Moderation on Bluemmon that made it appear that way. Also that the right wing bluemoon was unrepresentative of the Nation and Ed's election would be final testament to this!

I only put it on because some liberals called their parties act of coalition as radical centerism, clegg declared himself as one, though I would say it's more of an american thing

Ah a Clegg quote that explains why I have never heard of it.

 

[Damocles]

Seeing as though you totally ignored my last post about ideology and why your point in my opinion was wrong, i will try one last time.

What left wing positions in your opinion should i as a fake left winger take to prove my credentials as a real proper leftie?

I ignored it because it was and still remains a dumb as fuck question

 

[Rascal]

I ignored it because it was and still remains a dumb as fuck question

You ignored it because you didnt understand it, be honest.

Grandiose statements like you made deserve challenging. I answered honestly and explained why i thought you wrong and you think it was a dumb fuck question. Bizarre pal, bizarre.

 

[George Hannah]

.... I am an anonymous unimportant carbon based life form who after 50 years of my death nobody will know existed.

Just think, the number of connections you can make in your carbon based brain is more than the number of atomic particles in the known universe. That, among many other things so, is pretty important and makes you a unique and memorable member of the human race!