Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[The perfect fumble]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

Ad hominem.

Prime Minister Corbyn... and the 1,000 days that destroyed Britain: As this brilliant imagining of a Corbyn premiership reveals, Tories who gloat over Labour's woe should be careful what they wish for...

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  • Jeremy Corbyn has promised to reject austerity, bring the railways back into public ownership and scrap Trident if he is elected Prime Minister

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  • Many fear his far left policies will send the UK back into the dark ages

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  • Here, David Thomas imagines the future if he gets the keys to Number 10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ries-gloat-Labour-s-woe-careful-wish-for.html

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Ad hominem.

He is great Andrew Gilligan, the gift that keeps on giving.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/11/andrew-gilligan-islamism-press

Gilligan is among the highest-paid, if not the highest-paid, employee at the channel. So, let's get this straight. Gilligan is a journalist who makes lots of money from "outing" as many British Muslims as he can as "Islamists" or "extremists", often on deeply dubious grounds, and with the aid of selective quotation, yet at the same time also makes lots and lots of money working for a foreign country that is explicitly, openly and proudly Islamist and based on the rule of the clerics and a version of sharia law.

In the aforementioned quote in the Spectator, by the way, from June 2009, Gilligan says he "might" not work for the channel ever again. But, of course, he didn't stop working for the channel. The above YouTube clip is from a Gilligan show broadcast on Press TV this year, in the run-up to the general election.

Isn't that ironic? The man who obsesses about Islamists under every British bed is himself a paid, high-profile employee of an an openly Islamist government: the mullahocracy of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Hilarious. And, of course, deeply hypocritical.

He has since resigned but what a cockwomble.


Anyhow The Mail's centre spread tomorrow :)

 

[The perfect fumble]

And the Sunday Express....

Jeremy Corbyn insult to our heroes...

JEREMY Corbyn thinks the betrayal of our Armed Forces is a price worth paying to persuade the Labour Party’s disaffected anti-war activists to support his leadership bid....

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/600138/Jeremy-Corbyn-insult-our-heroes

 

[malg]

Everyone really is ganging up on him. Left and Right, doesn't matter, they just don't want him. It'll just drive more people to vote for him. If he does win, it's going to be a very, very interesting time for British politics. Might even make it interesting again.

 

[The perfect fumble]

There are too many in the Mail to post!

 

[west didsblue]

So if they had been set off by Iraqis it would have made sense to you?

Because it was British citizens that set off the bombs, you believe it was not connected, in any way, to our wars in the Middle East? if you believe that to be true, then what motivated them to do it?

The point I was making was that comparison of Islamic terrorist bombs going off in this country with a war between countries is nonsense. Had the London bombs been set off by someone even remotely connected to the Afghanistan or Iraq wars you might have had a point.

However the London bombers were Britons of Pakistani descent (and a Jamaican convert) who were in no way connected to the Arab world apart from a shared religion.

They were affiliated to Al Qaeda, who had previously killed 67 UK citizens on 11 Sept 2001 prior to any UK involvement in Middle East wars. Their motivation was hatred of the west because they were inspired/brainwashed by Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri. Afghanistan & Iraq were just 2 of a long list of perceived grievances against the UK and other western countries. If you read the transcript of the bombers statement, there is no mention of Pakistan.

If you think 7/7 wouldn't have happened if our foreign policy was different is naive in the extreme and the idea of modifying foreign policy because of what British terrorists with Pakistani ancestry say and do on behalf of Saudi terrorists about completely different countries is bizarre. Corbyn seems to support this sort of appeasement though.

 

[cyberblue]

Well at least he wouldnt lie to the people & take us to war & fu*k the lives up of millions of people.he wouldnt have forced the bedroom tax on us .he wouldnt have sold the post office for a pittance .he didnt rip the tax payers of by claiming for a duck house .he would get my vote over the other useless hypocrites any day

 

[The perfect fumble]

The point I was making was that comparison of Islamic terrorist bombs going off in this country with a war between countries is nonsense. Had the London bombs been set off by someone even remotely connected to the Afghanistan or Iraq wars you might have had a point.

However the London bombers were Britons of Pakistani descent (and a Jamaican convert) who were in no way connected to the Arab world apart from a shared religion.

They were affiliated to Al Qaeda, who had previously killed 67 UK citizens on 11 Sept 2001 prior to any UK involvement in Middle East wars. Their motivation was hatred of the west because they were inspired/brainwashed by Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri. Afghanistan & Iraq were just 2 of a long list of perceived grievances against the UK and other western countries. If you read the transcript of the bombers statement, there is no mention of Pakistan.

If you think 7/7 wouldn't have happened if our foreign policy was different is naive in the extreme and the idea of modifying foreign policy because of what British terrorists with Pakistani ancestry say and do on behalf of Saudi terrorists about completely different countries is bizarre. Corbyn seems to support this sort of appeasement though.

Corbyn doesn't support appeasement.

Thank you for not going down the evil doers road, that would have done my head in at this time of the morning. I have no truck with the motivations of the bombers, but the brain washed notion is just a handy gimmick used by our political masters to avoid any analysis of why the bombers do what they do. There is a long list of grievances real and imagined in the Middle East, from the Balfour Declaration, the foundation of the State of Israel, the American engineered coup in Iran that ushered in the Shah, the Iranian Revolution and the vehement anti Americanism, the First Gulf war, the Iran Iraq war, the second Gulf War, the conflict between Sunni and Shia. Western support for various dictatorships in the Middle East and North Africa (particularly Saudi with their strict Wahhabism). I worked the Middle East for over twenty years and I travelled extensively there, to go through the various grievances and feuds would take pages.

The 7/7 bombers were mostly of Pakistani origin and as you say they were clearly not Arabs, they were united by their religion,which transcends their nationality, they see the West as an enemy of Islam, once you plug in to that as Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri did, then national boundaries between Muslim states are just lines on a map.

You clearly think that anyone who sees the West as an enemy of Islam is brainwashed, that's not how they see it, even if you forget the West's troops on the ground, the bombs, the oil we covet so much, there's our pervasive, liberal (permissive) cultural imperialism, poisoning the minds of the young with consumerism and other temptations, you might think this is all a bit middle ages, guess what, you're right, but it is no less real for that.

The principles of cause and effect apply in foreign policy as they do in all other walks of life, all Corbyn is saying is that the black and white argument that you either have the war on terror or appeasement is a false one and the path of dialogue and the search for a political solution is not only necessary, it is essential.

 

[Mustard Dave]

This is like a turbo-charged Students' Union election. I am loving it! Vote Jezza!

 

[yorknomore]

Corbyn doesn't support appeasement.

Thank you for not going down the evil doers road, that would have done my head in at this time of the morning. I have no truck with the motivations of the bombers, but the brain washed notion is just a handy gimmick used by our political masters to avoid any analysis of why the bombers do what they do. There is a long list of grievances real and imagined in the Middle East, from the Balfour Declaration, the foundation of the State of Israel, the American engineered coup in Iran that ushered in the Shah, the Iranian Revolution and the vehement anti Americanism, the First Gulf war, the Iran Iraq war, the second Gulf War, the conflict between Sunni and Shia. Western support for various dictatorships in the Middle East and North Africa (particularly Saudi with their strict Wahhabism). I worked the Middle East for over twenty years and I travelled extensively there, to go through the various grievances and feuds would take pages.

The 7/7 bombers were mostly of Pakistani origin and as you say they were clearly not Arabs, they were united by their religion,which transcends their nationality, they see the West as an enemy of Islam, once you plug in to that as Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri did, then national boundaries between Muslim states are just lines on a map.

You clearly think that anyone who sees the West as an enemy of Islam is brainwashed, that's not how they see it, even if you forget the West's troops on the ground, the bombs, the oil we covet so much, there's our pervasive, liberal (permissive) cultural imperialism, poisoning the minds of the young with consumerism and other temptations, you might think this is all a bit middle ages, guess what, you're right, but it is no less real for that.

The principles of cause and effect apply in foreign policy as they do in all other walks of life, all Corbyn is saying is that the black and white argument that you either have the war on terror or appeasement is a false one and the path of dialogue and the search for a political solution is not only necessary, it is essential.

I for one like our capitalist society and i don't believe I am in the minority when i say that capitalism goes way back even to when we were flogging tin before the Romans came, it's the natural order of human civilisation."Clearly thinking" that anyone wishing to bomb a tube train and a bus or fly planes into buildings is or has been brainwashed is real...they have been brainwashed by their religion, you could talk to them for a hundred years and get nothing but nonsense from them because the dogma they have been fed is ridiculous.

Just like the other rabid lefties you're not offering solutions you're just sniping at the solutions of others. You complain about our use of oil and our wicked capitalist ways, have you got any solutions that are real instead of twiddling your thumbs and going "Aw shucks what's to do?". Or are you just another yank hating member of the unwashed anti-imperialist brigade?