Rony Lopes

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Neville Kneville said:
That's just an excuse tbh.

If we didn't have some of the most talented kids in Europe, then I'd agree, but we do do & we are currently showing no signs of even considering bringing them through as other clubs have done with theirs.
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It's not an excuse, it's a reason.

Our kids are talented, I agree, but it's clearly your opinion, and not that of the club that they are ready.
 
We would all love to see an acadamy graduate make it and so this is bad news as he had a lot of potential, I also think Denyer has been poorly treated as well as he was expecting to be part of the squad this year, although that could work out better in the long term with more game time.

The return on investment has been good on Lopes and that is part of the academy as well to make money, time will tell if it was a good decision (albeit one we where probably forced into with him not renewing).

I think there are different successes and this one we have achieved money and given a bright young player a good start, this is part of the academy is sale to potential players is that they will help them acheive a career in football, it is not all about being in City's team for us or for them.

The disappointing thing is that he did seem capable and hopefully over the next 5 years we will start getting some players, for me it is not all about the next Aguero or Silva as much as we would love this (we can always look to buy the superstars), but the academy should start producing the role of squad players like Navas, Sagna, Demi etc.
 
tonea2003 said:
we are going round in circles he isn't good enough to start league games and in my opinion the occasion sub appearance and cup games is not enough for him now
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You're going off right now though, whereas I am referring to how his "first team" career has played out to bring it to this point, which in my opinon is disappointing.

That's all, disappointing.
 
pudge said:
You're going off right now though, whereas I am referring to how his "first team" career has played out to bring it to this point, which in my opinon is disappointing.

That's all, disappointing.
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it is disappointing, it is what it is and we wish him well
 
Matty said:
It's not an excuse, it's a reason.

Our kids are talented, I agree, but it's clearly your opinion, and not that of the club that they are ready.
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I am not saying they are ready, they aren't. I am saying they 'become' ready by being brought through into the first team, perhaps starting as sub etc & increasing in experience as I described previously & learn to be full senior players. Those who struggle to adapt, then get loaned out or sold.

That's how it's done by the majority of clubs.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I am not saying they are ready, they aren't. I am saying they 'become' ready by being brought through into the first team, perhaps starting as sub etc & increasing in experience as I described previously & learn to be full senior players. Those who struggle to adapt, then get loaned out or sold.

That's how it's done by the majority of clubs.
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you've just described lopes
 
We will never know if young players are good enough unless we give them a chance. There have been many players that have made an instant impact because of their youth and confidence, or just the fact the opposition didn't know their strengths. It seems that in England many then fall away as they struggle for consistency or make headlines and become marked men in games. Walcott, Oxlade, Wilshere, Kane and the numerous wingers all touted as being world class have failed to show their talents on a consistent basis. Kane had a great season last time out but has failed to score in most of his games for Spurs since before the end of last season.

The pressure on City to succeed mean we'd much rather a proven talent than one that was untried and untested at the top level. What does concern me is that we loan players like Rekik, Denayer and Lopes out but to clubs where you still can't claim they're worthy of starting for City. Denayer's been our closest and we then buy Otamendi and essentially stick him down to 5th choice until Demichelis leaves.

At some stage City will have to start taking a punt with our young players or this whole philosophy and work on academy level coaching will be lost because players will think "I'll never get a game there so what's the point?".

I think there is still a slight gap between the quality of the first team and of the players emerging from the academy. The best bet is continual loans/ sales with buy back clauses. Hopefully one of the current crop of youngsters plays so well that they can't be ignored. In my opinion though, if Barker or Roberts had an incredible game in the league cup and scored two and got two assists, they'd be out of the side for the next league game anyway. We have a huge pool of talent, particularly around the 16-18year old mark.

I do believe that we'll start to see academy products integrated in the next few seasons where opportunities will be available as our senior players reach retirement. At full back there are clear opportunities to promote our academy players, and possibly buy in an experienced player to nurture them. In midfield there's definitely the possibility to integrate one or two players. If Nasri and Navas leave there's no reason why we can't promote from within as well.

People talk about the solid core - Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Aguero. As good as Navas has played it's all been because of the space he's been allowed while the opposition concerns themselves with Sterling/Silva/Aguero. I think one of our academy players could have done just as good a job if surrounded by that talent. We won't know until we try and play them. As competitive as the league might be in people's heads, young players have been used at Liverpool and have helped improve their first team. Similarly at the rags. Though they've been bought from elsewhere, they've improved them. As long as you have world class players to support them (which Liverpool and the rags lack) then they'll be okay and can thrive when playing alongside that level of talent.
 
Also a bit disappointed with this news. So far this season we had three very promising young footballers coming back from a succesfull loanspell: Rekik, Denayer and Lopes. On first sight it looks like we don't give youth a chance. Understandable. But than look in to it a bit deeper:
Rekik was sold and tbh I think his progress stalled so maybe it was the right descision. Denayer had a fantastic season with Celtic and was rewarded with a new 5 year deal. Probably added to the descision to sell Rekik who is also a CB. But than we brought in Otamendi and Denayer was send to look for a loandeal, probably for a year to come back and fill in where Demichelis will leave a spot. Finally Lopes had one year on his contract remaining I think, so he was probably asked to extend with the player discussing playing time. But even at preseason Lopes must have witnessed the rise of young Garcia and considder his playing time would be limited very soon if not straight away (KDB). So a fair chance the player said he didn't want to extend and therefore he was sold.

I do regret that somehow youngsters are not given a fair chance in competitive games. Either Pellegrini think they are simply not ready (he can conclude this from the youngsters' training with the senoir players), or he's too afraid to do so (he wasn't when he was at Villareal and Malaga), or Viera is not doing a good job by not deleloping these young players to the requiered standards, or him, Viera and Txiki together conclude a player is not ready yet and needs an alternative route to what's best for him: bench, loan or EDS.

Again very few youngsters will succeed. They are all promising players no doubt. But only the special ones will get there in the end. I just hope City will demand a buy-back clause for the ones that they do rate, but can't keep for whatever reason.

Good luck to Lopes and maybe we need to buy him back some day. It's all in the game.
 
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BadApple said:
Jese Rodriquez is 22 and has still only played 36 times and is yet to get an international call up & Verane was bought from Lens.

If you having them two I'm having Sterling.
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Sterling had played over 100 top flight games. Varane played 24 games for Lens. The better comparison would be to Denayer who we're currently trying to farm out. Again.

If people can't accept that City are bad at this then they're deluding themselves, we run the risk of losing some incredibly talented players if we can't convince them there's a path.
 
BadApple said:
Get your tongue out of your boyfriends arse :-)

I'm glad you mentioned Carvajal as they sold him to some German club and bought him back.
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Morata played more than 50 times for them.

Madrid are a bad example for you to have used.

You're not accounting for Jese's ACL injury.
 
How much have we made from the academy of late?

Lopes - 7.5m
Rekik - 3.5m
Huws - 3.5m
Hiwula(sp) - 140k
Boyata - 1.5m

That's pretty damn good..
 
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