United Thread 2015/16

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Right now they have no positive momentum in terms of squad building, they have lost their one worldy and a lot of mediocre players and ageing talent. It’s been replaced by some massively unproven and overhyped players and the man at the wheel is nuts. I’m happy for this to continue for now. As I’ve said before 1 or 2 good signings can transform any team so I’d never write them off.

I hope that Liverpool beat them at the weekend and get a decent run together, I also fear Arsenal will struggle to score enough this year. I don’t want them to walk into 4th place I want a real scrap for it. Chelsea will pull through but we need 2 or 3 others to make it a fight. The ideal scenario is 4th and losing a qualifier or UEFA dropping our 4th place in CL!!! A 5th place finish or worse would be a disaster but I fear that would prompt a new manager for them, the longer VG is there the better.
 
I watched a conference online a few months back that Soriano fronted in the middle east. It must have been from around 2014 and he was talking about the connection between successful businesses and football, a result driven organisation. At one point he spoke about Van Gaal who would put the fear into people around him and that his methods were the opposite from how a successful manager should work in business.
 
I fear they are only a couple of bad results away from fan unrest of the rags A lot of the rags I speak to have seen through his bullshit philosofee tactics and want him out . I don't think he will make the end of the season just hope Giggs is the next manager and nobody decent.
 
Just seen all those quotes from the times, aiming for 2nd or 3rd, were only 4 games in, supposedly their fans think they were title challengers, Van Gaal has ruled that out. Before he hands off to Giggs, can they offer him an extension. Although I do fear Van Gaal will be sacked before his contract ends, and Giggs won't last long.
 
They've given that Martial kid a confidence boost by saying they overpaid and was bought for the next manager so they don't acturallly want him now. Arf
 
Let Van Gaal impede them this season, and Giggs next. Two consecutive finishes outside the top 4 and no champions league would test their mettle. From there they'd have a major rebuild on their hands, and given Woodward's cleverness in the transfer market to date, that could be several changes of underpants daily for all of us.
 
At least they are top of the league that really matters

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BigOscar said:
At least they are top of the league that really matters

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It's a PL survey, so based on 19 home games that's an astonishing 5,736 per match. Factor on top of that six or seven times that amount from around the UK (non Greater Manchester) I reckon & you have a typical rag home attendance minus away fans of approx

5,736 non UK day trippers
35,000 glory hunters from outside Greater Manchester
30,000 wankers from Greater Manchester

Stacks up with the pre 1992 crowd levels quite neatly
 
Mikejl said:
It's a PL survey, so based on 19 home games that's an astonishing 5,736 per match. Factor on top of that six or seven times that amount from around the UK (non Greater Manchester) I reckon & you have a typical rag home attendance minus away fans of approx

5,736 non UK day trippers
35,000 glory hunters from outside Greater Manchester
30,000 wankers from Greater Manchester

Stacks up with the pre 1992 crowd levels quite neatly
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Yes, but if you took us supporters from Stockport out, we'd only have 30,000 at the game -same as we had in the "dark" days.

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Been meaning to post this for a while. After the infamous 3-3 Bournemouth match in 1989 I keep the Pink for some reason. Years afterwards it makes a fascinating read about the club attendances at the swamp

See attached photos, Wimbledon at Home for the Rags 23,368! capacity was clearly 55k+ as they got this in a cup match vs Forest (who no doubt sent 10,000 fans)

Rotherham at home in the League Cup 20,597

big games for them they seemed to get mid low 40s in general mid low 30s

looking at our attendances in a lower division for a second successive season saw us with attendances of mid low 20s but 33k on the bigger games

The time was known for a drop off in attendances across English football, recession, hooliganism etc, however our crowds stood up well. this was the time when Chelsea and Newcastle were getting crowds of 10,000 some weeks.

Looking at the Rags though, to see the pre 1992 levels in perspective - glory hunting twunts

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Mikejl said:
Yep - Newcastle some cup game I think, maybe whatever the Full members cup became?
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actually looking again, something called the Centuary/Centuarian Cup, Everton, Newcastle, Rags & I guess some other lot, maybe a friendly tournament made up due to no European football
 
Mikejl said:
It's a PL survey, so based on 19 home games that's an astonishing 5,736 per match. Factor on top of that six or seven times that amount from around the UK (non Greater Manchester) I reckon & you have a typical rag home attendance minus away fans of approx

5,736 non UK day trippers
35,000 glory hunters from outside Greater Manchester
30,000 wankers from Greater Manchester

Stacks up with the pre 1992 crowd levels quite neatly
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I would say their numbers are below the real number of overseas visitors, they probably have thousands from Ireland for example at every home game. They do seem to have vast numbers of match going fans from cities and towns with lower league clubs I.e Barnsley, Doncaster, Wrexham, Peterborough etc etc. We do not have coaches pulling up from similar places which I think partially explains lower CL crowds when season ticket holders don't tip up.
 
So now Rooney is saying on Sky he wants to replicate his England form for the rags at weekend, thought he'd been doing that all year........shite.
 
pfazz said:
So now Rooney is saying on Sky he wants to replicate his England form for the rags at weekend, thought he'd been doing that all year........shite.
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So he's pretty much just telling us he thinks he'll get a penalty against Liverpool?
 
Mikejl said:
actually looking again, something called the Centuary/Centuarian Cup, Everton, Newcastle, Rags & I guess some other lot, maybe a friendly tournament made up due to no European football
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Yeah, presume it was to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Football League and also to fill the void of no European football. A bit like the Screensport Super Cup 2 or 3 seasons earlier. Not historical competitions so I'm not going to make an issue of the low crowds for these games. What I did find amusing was this:

May 1st 1989 Division 2 - Manchester City v Crystal Palace. Attendance: 33,456
May 2nd 1989 Division 1 - Manchester United v Wimbledon. Attendance: 23,368

So 10,000 more for a City home game than a United home game and both matches played just a day apart. Now I know that doesn't tell the full story - we were going for promotion and United had nothing to play for plus our game was on a bank holiday Monday whereas theirs was a Tuesday evening, but what it shows is that their fans were every bit as fickle as ours. As soon as United got knocked out of the FA Cup by Forest and their league form subsequently nose-dived, their attendances fell off a cliff - from 55,000 against Forest (granted there was a significant away following for that one) and 52,000 for the cup replay against Bournemouth to sub-30,000 crowds against Coventry and Wimbledon in the space of a couple of months. And if I'm not mistaken their next home game after Wimbledon against Everton pulled a crowd of around only 26,000.
 
M18CTID said:
Yeah, presume it was to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Football League and also to fill the void of no European football. A bit like the Screensport Super Cup 2 or 3 seasons earlier. Not historical competitions so I'm not going to make an issue of the low crowds for these games. What I did find amusing was this:

May 1st 1989 Division 2 - Manchester City v Crystal Palace. Attendance: 33,456
May 2nd 1989 Division 1 - Manchester United v Wimbledon. Attendance: 23,368

So 10,000 more for a City home game than a United home game and both matches played just a day apart. Now I know that doesn't tell the full story - we were going for promotion and United had nothing to play for plus our game was on a bank holiday Monday whereas theirs was a Tuesday evening, but what it shows is that their fans were every bit as fickle as ours. As soon as United got knocked out of the FA Cup by Forest and their league form subsequently nose-dived, their attendances fell off a cliff - from 55,000 against Forest (granted there was a significant away following for that one) and 52,000 for the cup replay against Bournemouth to sub-30,000 crowds against Coventry and Wimbledon in the space of a couple of months. And if I'm not mistaken their next home game after Wimbledon against Everton pulled a crowd of around only 26,000.
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I was friends with a Rag during the early GPC years, so around this time. He had started watching Macc town, home and away, coach trips to places like Fisher Athletic FFS, soon as they fluked that first trophy he was back like a shot & in denial about ever switching teams - cock!
 
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