United Thread 2015/16

[pudge]

United have the best midfield in the league?

 

[babyape]

Odds on the Martial goal being in the goal of the season shortlist?

Bound to be. Predictably everywhere today in the media. Ah well, our 18 year old scored a last minute winner and cost about £58m less than their 18 year old!!

 

[manimanc]

Bound to be. Predictably everywhere today in the media. Ah well, our 18 year old scored a last minute winner and cost about £58m less than their 18 year old!!

Exactly mate. Anything they can do we can do better...

 

[squirtyflower]

Odds on the Martial goal being in the goal of the season shortlist?

It's already won it, he has the pennant on his wall

 

[daztrueblue91]

To be fair to Martial, he did score a cracking goal in United's biggest game of the season on the back of a ridiculous transfer fee. Lets give credit where its due.

He will offer them something different but he will come up against a lot more sterner defences through the season. In a way, he was lucky playing against an absolute woeful Liverpool side who have a shite players all over the pitch and were playing with no game plan.

I still think they are nowhere near our level and have been very lucky at times this season. However there are a few positives for them.

Shaw and Smalling are turning into top class players and they have managed to keep De Gea for a while longer.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

It's already won it, he has the pennant on his wall

And it is stuck to the wall with a big splash of Martin fucking Tyler's jism.

 

[mcfcfc]

United have the best midfield in the league and means teams just don't attack them enough. Still can't understand why Schweinsteiger was being written off. The only question should have been how many games he plays. They have dominated midfield in every game they have played and had more chances in every game. Their lack of fire power will cost them and it's why I don't think they will mount a serious challenge, but they should come 2nd.

Martial is quick and scored a decent goal but unless people were watching a lot of Monaco can't judge any more than that.

Depay has been really poor, Darmian looks great and Smalling has improved a lot.

i want some of what you smoke...looks like high quality

 

[supercrystal7]

The best midfield in the league, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it still isn't true
They might have a lot of the ball but that is because they take no risks and pass for the sake of passing

I'd take Swansea's midfield over theirs - Utd's midfield has no goals in it, no pace and no creativity

I really can't see where you are coming from

They could take more risks if they wanted, but it is a deliberate tactic. Do you really think Schweinsteiger and Carrick lack creativity? I hate the tactic and I don't believe it works, but just because they are choosing to play a certain way does not mean they can't play a different way under a different manager.

By the way when I say midfield I mean just the central midfield, which would be Schweinsteiger, Scneiderlin, Carrick and Herrera. The likes of Silva, Ozil etc would not be included.

They played Swansea and dominated the midfield and created more chances than Swansea. Rooney having a shocking game and Gomis being better is why they lost.

We will see what the season brings.

 

[SWP's back]

United have the best midfield in the league and means teams just don't attack them enough. Still can't understand why Schweinsteiger was being written off. The only question should have been how many games he plays. They have dominated midfield in every game they have played and had more chances in every game. Their lack of fire power will cost them and it's why I don't think they will mount a serious challenge, but they should come 2nd.

Martial is quick and scored a decent goal but unless people were watching a lot of Monaco can't judge any more than that.

Depay has been really poor, Darmian looks great and Smalling has improved a lot.

Pmsl

 

[Bluemoon115]

United have the best midfield in the league and means teams just don't attack them enough. Still can't understand why Schweinsteiger was being written off. The only question should have been how many games he plays. They have dominated midfield in every game they have played and had more chances in every game. Their lack of fire power will cost them and it's why I don't think they will mount a serious challenge, but they should come 2nd.

Martial is quick and scored a decent goal but unless people were watching a lot of Monaco can't judge any more than that.

Depay has been really poor, Darmian looks great and Smalling has improved a lot.

Having idle possession without looking like threatening isn't dominating the midfield.

 

[Blue Hefner]

They could take more risks if they wanted, but it is a deliberate tactic. Do you really think Schweinsteiger and Carrick lack creativity? I hate the tactic and I don't believe it works, but just because they are choosing to play a certain way does not mean they can't play a different way under a different manager.

By the way when I say midfield I mean just the central midfield, which would be Schweinsteiger, Scneiderlin, Carrick and Herrera. The likes of Silva, Ozil etc would not be included.

They played Swansea and dominated the midfield and created more chances than Swansea. Rooney having a shocking game and Gomis being better is why they lost.

We will see what the season brings.

Swine and Carrick V Yaya and Fernandinho, I know who I'd pick. Then there is Matic and Fabregas, I'd say Palace and Everton's midfield could give them a run for thier money

 

[supercrystal7]

Having idle possession without looking like threatening isn't dominating the midfield.

Except it wasn't as idle as people including Neville are making out. They isolated their hope 'Depay' with Clyne several times. This is where the tactic relies on a world class player. Depay as many here have said was awful and lost the ball every time. The second thing they did was completely shut Liverpool down. In the first half Liverpool did not come even close to posing a threat. I believe without a Robben/Messi/Ronaldo this will result in too many 0-0's or losses.

Swine and Carrick V Yaya and Fernandinho, I know who I'd pick. Then there is Matic and Fabregas, I'd say Palace and Everton's midfield could give them a run for thier money

Schweinsteiger is not even fully fit and is already showing his class. I would pick him over any midfielder in the league and my opinion has not changed. I have always been a massive fan. He is still the German captain and the first name on the team sheet. I just don't get where the lack of respect he has is coming from. What has he done when he has played in the CL semi final or in the world cup to warrant this?

Matic and Fabregas is not even a great partnership. It's carried by the likes of Costa, Willian and Oscar in particular pressing like mad. I have always said the same thing. With those attacking players pressing to the same extent they have been exposed.

It's my opinion and the great thing about the internet is that it's forever there for people to judge. I am not going to deny what I have said in the past. I was very wrong about Ozil, but I would say I have been right more times than not and if thing don't go the way I think then I will hold my hands up and admit I read things wrongly.

 

[ianw16]

Pmsl

Indeed. I can't see Supercrystal's point. If we aren't including Silva, then that means we are only talking about the central 2 in the midfield 5. So, Schweinsteiger/ Scneiderlin or Carrick vs. Toure/Fernandinho. I'm struggling to see an argument for taking any of the former over the latter. Two of the former are decent, but nothing particularly dynamic, and Schneiderlin is a useful mid/ upper mid table player. I would take him over Fernando as a back up player. That's about it though. As for the rest of the midfield 5, i.e. the 2 wide players and the furthest forward playmaker, there is no comparison.
Despite the fact that Utd are playing boring, safety first football, and City play more attacking footy, it is City who have yet to concede a goal. And without looking up stats, I would guess we have conceded fewer chances.

 

[Blue Hefner]

There is not one credible argument you, or anyone else, can put across to convince me(or anyone with eyes) that Carrick and Swinestager are he best midfielders in the league. I think it's a ridiculous thing to suggest, you may have had a case 5yrs ago

 

[Bluemoon115]

Except it wasn't as idle as people including Neville are making out. They isolated their hope 'Depay' with Clyne several times. This is where the tactic relies on a world class player. Depay as many here have said was awful and lost the ball every time. The second thing they did was completely shut Liverpool down. In the first half Liverpool did not come even close to posing a threat. I believe without a Robben/Messi/Ronaldo this will result in too many 0-0's or losses.

You said they've dominated every game. Yesterday was as close to domination as we've seen, which still wasn't great.

The midfield has looked void of ideas in every other game this season, and were outplayed by Swansea.

 

[SWP's back]

Indeed. I can't see Supercrystal's point. If we aren't including Silva, then that means we are only talking about the central 2 in the midfield 5. So, Schweinsteiger/ Scneiderlin or Carrick vs. Toure/Fernandinho. I'm struggling to see an argument for taking any of the former over the latter. Two of the former are decent, but nothing particularly dynamic, and Schneiderlin is a useful mid/ upper mid table player. I would take him over Fernando as a back up player. That's about it though. As for the rest of the midfield 5, i.e. the 2 wide players and the furthest forward playmaker, there is no comparison.
Despite the fact that Utd are playing boring, safety first football, and City play more attacking footy, it is City who have yet to concede a goal. And without looking up stats, I would guess we have conceded fewer chances.

A very good summary of my thoughts and well done for having the patience to articulate them to a person saying Schweinsteiger is the best midfielder in the league. Which is beyond fucking laughable.

 

[supercrystal7]

There is not one credible argument you, or anyone else, can put across to convince me(or anyone with eyes) that Carrick and Swinestager are he best midfielders in the league. I think it's a ridiculous thing to suggest, you may have had a case 5yrs ago

I didn't just say Carrick and Schweinsteiger, because there are games where there lack of pace will be exposed, I included Schneiderlin in there.

Ultimately it comes down to this. I believe Schweinsteiger is still a world class player and will show it this season and at the Euros. People here think he is finished. Time will tell and whilst I have always been a huge Schweinsteiger fan I will be happy in this case to be wrong and United to underachieve. Not much more to discuss.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

You said they've dominated every game. Yesterday was as close to domination as we've seen, which still wasn't great.

The midfield has looked void of ideas in every other game this season, and were outplayed by Swansea.

crystal.

the only team they`ve played of any note is swansea and they lost

 

[SWP's back]

Name me another world class player a Big 3 team has sold for under £7m recently.

 

[pudge]

They could take more risks if they wanted, but it is a deliberate tactic. Do you really think Schweinsteiger and Carrick lack creativity? I hate the tactic and I don't believe it works, but just because they are choosing to play a certain way does not mean they can't play a different way under a different manager.

By the way when I say midfield I mean just the central midfield, which would be Schweinsteiger, Scneiderlin, Carrick and Herrera. The likes of Silva, Ozil etc would not be included.

They played Swansea and dominated the midfield and created more chances than Swansea. Rooney having a shocking game and Gomis being better is why they lost.

We will see what the season brings.

Utterly laughable.

Your raging hard on for Schweinsteiger clouds your judgement. He is nowhere near the player he once was.

Fernandinho and Yaya is a proven title winning midfield partnership and that same midfield duo has helped us to 5 straight wins, 11 goals scored (of which they have contributed towards 6 with a total of 3 goals and 3 assists) and 0 conceded.

If you stopped to come up for air once in a while you might see life beyond the realms of Bastian's cock.