I admit liking meat. I wouldn't force it on anyone except my own kids who in my opinion need it. I would kill the chicken, remove it's feathers and insides, light a fire and roast it in a heartbeat. Survival of the fittest. I'd do the same to a cow, lamb, pig, whatever. Because I can. Might need a big knife for a cow. And that's not selfish. That's how things are. That's how things have developed to be. What I really disagree with is any vegan/vegetarian claiming the moral high ground because they eat dead vegetables instead of dead animals. You made a choice so fuck off home. Don't preach to me about how holier than fucking thou you are just because you eat different dead shit than I do.
It was a bit of a rollercoaster and I should have come at it from a different angle. I'd had a bad day before I started the thread. People, including myself, got wound up and I can see why. Hey ho, hopefully it had some worth in it somewhere. I'm sorry for any offence caused to anyone. Funny, it really does read like I went out of my way to call random strangers selfish.. but that wasn't the point at all.
I admit liking meat. I wouldn't force it on anyone except my own kids who in my opinion need it. .
It was a bit of a rollercoaster and I should have come at it from a different angle. I'd had a bad day before I started the thread. People, including myself, got wound up and I can see why. Hey ho, hopefully it had some worth in it somewhere. I'm sorry for any offence caused to anyone. Funny, it really does read like I went out of my way to call random strangers selfish.. but that wasn't the point at all.
How dare you deprive your very own children the delights of a pepperoni pizza, a cheese and ham toasty, a bacon and egg butty or even a glass of milk and few biscuits? You're harsh ammy.My kids are both veggie too
*calls social services to save you the bother*
Go on then have a go. Stand by everything I typed in that.We disagree no big thing I could counter argue pretty much everything you said but it would be futile, it's only a debate anyhow
Vulcanism 1 Veganism 0I consider animals a lower form of life than us as they lack consciousness and even rudimentary intelligence. They're essentially walking plants who we prescribe human values and behaviours to because it satiates our nurturing desire, biologically programmed to release endorphins and happy thoughts into us so we don't just leave our kids in the middle of a bush somewhere. The science behind what animals we find cute and not cute, edible and inedible is mostly about how they share similar characteristics to children.
I'm absolutely a speciest. I'd wipe out every white tailed deer in the world if it cured cancer and do it without a moment's hesitation.
The biggest evolutionary benefit to an animal now is to be useful to humans. That isn't even a debate, it's a fact as anybody who has looked at global chicken and populations or the decline of the global horse population over the past 100 years will attest to. We keep them and breed them in order to satisfy our hunger. The ones that irritate us are generally wiped out on a global scale unless they serve some purpose that we have identified.
Too many humans think they're above nature and because they have developed consciousness the rules just don't apply any longer. I say that's nonsense and a look at the ecological record shows it to be ignorant nonsense. We're still under the development of evolution, we're still shaping nature to fit us and adapting to the new conditions no different from any other animal on the planet. Animals constantly and consistently uproot and wipe out populations of other animals. We're just better at it then they are.
I don't have compassion for animals because I don't have compassion for bacteria, or viruses, or plants and see them ranked along the same lines. This doesn't mean I don't love my dog or have a collection of cat skulls in my basement, it means that although I love my dog I recognise it as ultimately inferior to every human being alive by almost every metric apart from my own sentimentality borne out of what is essentially my own invention.
Fair play mate no harm done really. You'll keep eating vegetables and I'll keep eating meat, fish, eggs and vegetables. No big deal.It was a bit of a rollercoaster and I should have come at it from a different angle. I'd had a bad day before I started the thread. People, including myself, got wound up and I can see why. Hey ho, hopefully it had some worth in it somewhere. I'm sorry for any offence caused to anyone. Funny, it really does read like I went out of my way to call random strangers selfish.. but that wasn't the point at all.
Go on then have a go. Stand by everything I typed in that.
I just find it illogical to determine one aspect of the farming industry off limits while the other is a okay and even gives some kind of deluded morality high ground over others that are no different than them, just eat different stuff.I accept you believe everything you said, as I stated it would be a futile task on my behalf, we will both be eating a bacon sarnie tomorrow no matter how illogical I find your reasoning for it
I just find it illogical to determine one aspect of the farming industry off limits while the other is a okay and even gives some kind of deluded morality high ground over others that are no different than them, just eat different stuff.
The real question is what sauce you'll use on your bacon butty tomorrow...
Good man. Mustard on burgers though right?Brown and only brown, red sauce on bacon butties is for 3 year olds and yanks
Good man. Mustard on burgers though right?
We'll see.Without a doubt, going to bed hungry now
We'll see.
This ^^^^Brown and only brown, red sauce on bacon butties is for 3 year olds and yanks
People tend to laugh at this, and I don't really see what's funny.
I feel like once you know the facts of your existence, you are logically obligated to not eat meat or dairy/perpetuate suffering you know is happening. In basically the same way you wouldn't yourself want to be farmed, tortured, live a miserable life, and have a miserable death. Vegans cause less harm, that's just how it is.
Life arose in a cesspit billions of years ago and has been evolving ever since with no intelligence or any compassion for sentient life whatsoever. Life is imposed, so you have no choice in playing the game, you just suddenly arrive on planet Earth. We grow up seeing nature at work, and some people think it's beautiful, which is strange because we all know the miseries that happen to sentient creatures every second. Most of which we can nothing about, but the bit we can do something about though (because we're smart) is the harm that we cause.
I am utterly ashamed when I think of all the meat I've eaten and how unquestioning and selfish I was. In what world, when there is plenty of stuff to eat, (and no, I am not having it that a lettuce has the capacity to feel pain like animal does) does it make any sense to exploit others?
Would beings more intelligent than ourselves cause needless suffering? I don't think so.
Can someone rationally justify themselves eating meat? Or are you forced to admit that you are just an ignorant/selfish person?