Villa Vs City Post Match Thread

Dubai Blue said:
That's pretty much how I saw it too. But Bluemoon wouldn't be Bluemoon without 90+ pages of vitriol after we've failed to win a game.
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I think we all know that we were unlucky , but that doesn't detract from the fact that our play for around 55 minutes was pedestrian, similar to Norwich at home. Yaya was strolling around as if he was training, Fernandinho wasn't much better.

Then there is Pellers, why did we not bring our only recognised striker on until the 82 minute. Yaya should have been off at half time is performance was so cr*p.

We have one of the best teams on the planet yet we are struggling to beat average to poor teams, the manager needs to get the team up for the games from the first minute not the 60th.
 
sir baconface said:
You can usually tell from the first 3 or 4 minutes what sort of game it's going to be.
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It is odd but you are right lol! Some games we just seem lethargic and not at the races and we could play all night and not score.We seem to settle into a strange slow motion pass pass pass game as well like Norwich at home,which falls straight into the opposition's hands. We need someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck on days like this and Tevez was great at doing that,leading by his non stop workrate and harassing of the defenders.Silva is another one who scurries about and looks for the killer pass all the time.Some games it seems we play within ourselves and don't wake up until we go a goal behind.The positive i take out of yesterday is we used to lose games like that 1-0.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Or you could twist the presentation of the figures and say we're unbeaten in the last 5 league games yet lost 2 in the 5 league games before that. Improvement :)

Or we could look at the big picture and say since the Spurs and West Ham defeats we have gone on an unbeaten run in all competions of 9 games with 7 wins and 2 draws. Improvement:)
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You could. Stats can be used anyway you like. The number of clean sheets we have had with Kolorov in the team would indicate he is a top notch defender.
 
Considering we'd played on the Tuesday night, against one of the better sides in Europe and given everything, it wasn't that bad. If anything I thought Pellegrini should have changed a few more players to add more energy into the team.

On the other side, we've just gone through a period without Aguero/Silva. In that time we've got through to the quarter final of the League Cup (something United/Spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea couldn't do), we've qualified for the last 16 of the UCL and we're top of the league! We're going to add those two into the Christmas run, as well as Nasri, Clichy and a fully fit Delph!
 
Manchester33 said:
Considering we'd played on the Tuesday night, against one of the better sides in Europe and given everything, it wasn't that bad. If anything I thought Pellegrini should have changed a few more players to add more energy into the team.

On the other side, we've just gone through a period without Aguero/Silva. In that time we've got through to the quarter final of the League Cup (something United/Spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea couldn't do), we've qualified for the last 16 of the UCL and we're top of the league! We're going to add those two into the Christmas run, as well as Nasri, Clichy and a fully fit Delph!
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i feel better already
 
I think the reason why so many people are disappointed is due to Pelle's tactics.

For the 1st time in a very long time against Sevilla, he'd picked the right lineup and set us up how we'd expect the tempo of the game to go and the 3 midfielders of the 2 ferns and Toure was needed and worked. Flashforward to Sunday and we've reverted to a formation not ideal for a game where we were required to actually go and breakdown Villa, even before the game started I could see how it was going to pan out.

The subs tactically were awful, although another decent performance from Navas, who should have started instead of Fernando.

People accepting the result as we're still level with Arsenal, seem to miss the point that Spurs have been decent this season and we missed a really good chance to open a buffer.
 
sir baconface said:
You can usually tell from the first 3 or 4 minutes what sort of game it's going to be.
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Its bang on that.
Its actually annoying how right it is.
I said yesterday after 10 minutes this was going to be a tough game and we would struggle to win.
How many variables are there in 80 minutes yet we know as fans from the start how it will play out. We constantly have games like this in us where so many of them just don’t turn up. Yaya being central to what we do is a problem as if he’s having a cant be arsed day then we struggle.
You’ve got to trust Kelechi though, useless having no striker for 80mins.
 
I've just watched the Gestede thing again and for me just before he throws the ball he makes a little gesture towards the goal. Now I may be being naive here (and I'm sure plenty on here will yell me I am) but I think he was saying he'd throw it out and we'd restart with a goal kick. He then throws it as hard as he can and it's Hart that steps across to try to intercept it. I don't think he did anything wrong.
 
The no striker thing worked out fine last spring but Silva was the key to making it work. Without his speed, movement and vision we haven't cracked it yet. I guess Sterling can play striker but like you say. Sometimes you can see very early on what sort of City have turned up on the day. You cannot wait until the last 10 minutes to make the necessary changes.

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I don't want to see Sterling playing the poor man's Aguero. I think he's best as the rich man's Sterling.
 
Bluemoon dan said:
I've just watched the Gestede thing again and for me just before he throws the ball he makes a little gesture towards the goal. Now I may be being naive here (and I'm sure plenty on here will yell me I am) but I think he was saying he'd throw it out and we'd restart with a goal kick. He then throws it as hard as he can and it's Hart that steps across to try to intercept it. I don't think he did anything wrong.
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Even if what you say was correct, his decision to throw the ball for a goal kick was designed to slow the game down (and for him to get back in position) with the clock ticking down, which put Villa in a more advantageous position than they would have been had we not kicked the ball out for the benefit of N'Zogbia. So to say he's done 'nothing' wrong is stretching it a little. He's sought to gain an advantage from our benevolence, which makes him culpable, albeit only slightly. He knew exactly what he was doing. Hart's attempt to keep the ball in play shows that a goal kick was disadvantageous to City.
 
Bluemoon dan said:
I've just watched the Gestede thing again and for me just before he throws the ball he makes a little gesture towards the goal. Now I may be being naive here (and I'm sure plenty on here will yell me I am) but I think he was saying he'd throw it out and we'd restart with a goal kick. He then throws it as hard as he can and it's Hart that steps across to try to intercept it. I don't think he did anything wrong.
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there was no need to throw it as hard as he did, none at all, the unwritten protocol is to just to give it back to oppo without any hassle, there would have been little difference a goal kick and joe kicking it from where he was
it was unsporting plain and simple,
 
standytogilvy said:
I think the reason why so many people are disappointed is due to Pelle's tactics.

For the 1st time in a very long time against Sevilla, he'd picked the right lineup and set us up how we'd expect the tempo of the game to go and the 3 midfielders of the 2 ferns and Toure was needed and worked. Flashforward to Sunday and we've reverted to a formation not ideal for a game where we were required to actually go and breakdown Villa, even before the game started I could see how it was going to pan out.

The subs tactically were awful, although another decent performance from Navas, who should have started instead of Fernando.

People accepting the result as we're still level with Arsenal, seem to miss the point that Spurs have been decent this season and we missed a really good chance to open a buffer.
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You make some really good points there and I agree totally with you.
 
tonea2003 said:
there was no need to throw it as hard as he did, none at all, the unwritten protocol is to just to give it back to oppo without any hassle, there would have been little difference a goal kick and joe kicking it from where he was
it was unsporting plain and simple,
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Add to that the fact that he immediately moves to close down Hart and the fact that if he was going to throw it out for a goal kick then why throw it at Hart and not to the side of him. Despicable behaviour IMO. Ref should have had him take it again or Villa, realising what had happened, should have had the decency to play the corner deliberately out of play.
 
I remember a very new Chelsea player, might even have been Drogba in a similar situation. He didn't know the protocol and innocently took a normal throw. The ref then gave an indirect free kick for ungentlemanly conduct and everyone was happy.
 
our tommy said:
Add to that the fact that he immediately moves to close down Hart and the fact that if he was going to throw it out for a goal kick then why throw it at Hart and not to the side of him. Despicable behaviour IMO. Ref should have had him take it again or Villa, realising what had happened, should have had the decency to play the corner deliberately out of play.
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The fact that he sprinted hard after the ball to close Hart down shows his intent. If he had been putting the ball out for a goal kick he would have been trotting back the other way. The ref should have booked him for unsporting conduct really.

Speaking of the ref, apart from not managing that situation at all, giving Sterling offside from a throw in (you can't be offside from a throw in), missing the penalty on Sterling in the first half, giving Villa a free kick in a dangerous position when Ashley Young seemed to have rejoined the club, adding only four minutes of additional time when the Gestede incident stopped play for three minutes alone, not penalising Villa for their blatant time wasting throughout the second half, and getting dozens of smaller decisions wrong, I thought he had a decent game overall.
 
Steve68 said:
I remember a very new Chelsea player, might even have been Drogba in a similar situation. He didn't know the protocol and innocently took a normal throw. The ref then gave an indirect free kick for ungentlemanly conduct and everyone was happy.
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Arsenal did that a while ago in a FA cup tie IIRC, broke away and scored and won the tie. They later agreed to a replay, and again everybody was happy.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Even if what you say was correct, his decision to throw the ball for a goal kick was designed to slow the game down (and for him to get back in position) with the clock ticking down, which put Villa in a more advantageous position than they would have been had we not kicked the ball out for the benefit of N'Zogbia. So to say he's done 'nothing' wrong is stretching it a little. He's sought to gain an advantage from our benevolence, which makes him culpable, albeit only slightly. He knew exactly what he was doing. Hart's attempt to keep the ball in play shows that a goal kick was disadvantageous to City.
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Absolutely spot on. It's a bizarre un-written protocol that has been allowed to develop into a convenient method of time wasting and just encourages players to go to ground, feign injury and take the momentum away from opposition teams. I wouldn't single Villa out because all teams do it, remember Edin at Goodison Park, albeit not many players would be as cynical as Gestede was in their exploitation of the advantage they've gained. It's something that frustrates fans and players (when they're on the receiving end of it) and along with blatant time wasting from the goalkeeper is something the powers that be should legislate for. Booking the keeper in the 89th minute is a complete nonsense, book him in the 29th minute and it's problem solved.
 
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