Attacks in Paris

Ducado said:
Whilst people are arguing about Religion IS are getting a right old blasting from the Russians, they appear to have made the same mistake as Hitler in trying to fight more enemies than they have the resources to cope with, people like to beleive the journalistic hype about IS but a force of some 20,000 needs a hell of a lot of ammunition let alone logistical support to carry on, with the world arms markets effectively closed to them, (and reports of wage cuts dressed up as a test of faith for some front line fighters) their end will come soon, that's why they are so dangerous at the moment they are cornered in their heartland so they are lashing out
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They have certainly made a lot of enemies in the last year
13 Nov - Paris, France Gunmen and suicide bombers kill at least 129 people.

12 Nov - Beirut, Lebanon Suicide bombers kill at least 43 people.

31 Oct - Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt Plane crashes killing all 224 on board. Russia says a bomb caused the crash and an IS affiliate says it was responsible.

10 Oct - Ankara, Turkey Suicide bombers kill 102 people at peace rally. Turkey blames IS, but no group claims the attack.

26 Jun - Sousse, Tunisia Gunman kills 38 people, mostly British tourists.

26 Jun - Kuwait City, Kuwait Suicide attack kills at least 27 people.

22 May - Qatif, Saudi Arabia Two suicide bombs kill at least 21 people.

21 Mar - Sanaa, Yemen Suicide bombings kill at least 137 people.

18 Mar - Tunis, Tunisia Gunmen kill 19 people, mostly foreign tourists.

*Attacks do not include those in Iraq and Syria, where IS controls large swathes of land.
 
Ducado said:
Whilst people are arguing about Religion IS are getting a right old blasting from the Russians, they appear to have made the same mistake as Hitler in trying to fight more enemies than they have the resources to cope with, people like to beleive the journalistic hype about IS but a force of some 20,000 needs a hell of a lot of ammunition let alone logistical support to carry on, with the world arms markets effectively closed to them, (and reports of wage cuts dressed up as a test of faith for some front line fighters) their end will come soon, that's why they are so dangerous at the moment they are cornered in their heartland so they are lashing out
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Well done Russia. Once ISIS are stamped out - just improve security on the ground and intelligence within the UK / life or very long sentences for anyone who is found guilty of any terrorist activity and we might feel a bit safer in a few years.
 
Look at the backgrounds of the Charlie Hebdo attackers and the recent attackers. A lot of them are brought up in very poor areas and live a life of petty crime and drugs. The two brothers involved used to own a bar which was closed down recently for being a drug den. A lot of their friends have said they were not particularly religious and they certainly don't fit the profile of a religious fanatic. I personally feel that the authorities need to target the people and the mosques that are radicalising these people. They are the real problem. I highly doubt these men would have conducted these attacks if they hadn't have been in contact with a true religious nut.
 
Benarbia_is_god said:
Look at the backgrounds of the Charlie Hebdo attackers and the recent attackers. A lot of them are brought up in very poor areas and live a life of petty crime and drugs. The two brothers involved used to own a bar which was closed down recently for being a drug den. A lot of their friends have said they were not particularly religious and they certainly don't fit the profile of a religious fanatic. I personally feel that the authorities need to target the people and the mosques that are radicalising these people. They are the real problem. I highly doubt these men would have conducted these attacks if they hadn't have been in contact with a true religious nut.
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They seem to target disaffected young people, it's not a new tactic most cults operate the same
 
If these fellas all had jobs and came home knackered after a long shift blowing shit up would fall of their list of priorities faster than greased lightning.

It is the same ill of society that gives you the nazi russians and similar who chop peoples heads of for fun, these lot are orthodox christians.
Bored men with little to do with their time.
 
Ducado said:
They seem to target disaffected young people, it's not a new tactic most cults operate the same
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Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
 
M18CTID said:
Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
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It's not entirely different to local drug dealers and gangsters waving a big pay packet under the noses of youngsters on the estate turning them into killers and drug dealers.

There are a load of very clever hate preachers who like Ducado said, target the disaffected youth. It's why whenever there is an attack or terror arrests in the UK a lot of the time a picture will circulate of them standing behind Anjem Choudary at one of his gigs. A lot of young Muslims are being radicalised in our prisons right now. Essentially the people who carry out these attacks are just incredibly thick and easily impressionable.
 
M18CTID said:
Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
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I agree it is a big jump defo, it is like a nice warm damp space for bacteria innit, just a nice medium for it to proliferate and such.
You do need to be wired a bit different though to do what they do, i think i could kill but it would be in defense of a loved one or a similar situation.
No way could i go out and do what they are willing to do in the name of what in the cold day of light is a load of rubbish.
 
coleridge said:
Fair enough. I am not a religious scholar in any way or much of a Muslim or anything else. Some posters just hate Muslims/Brown people and others just have their own stance from which they adapt their theories accordingly.
I have lived and worked to in Dubai. I am aware of the tight control that all Gulf ruling families have. However, that debate is for another time. If you ask me what I really think about ADUG? Well, that's a discussion for another time, and one that I am planning to have when the decade since the take over arrives.
Finally, despite what some seem to think, I am not a fan of most Muslim practices. In particular, I abhor the oppression of women and other repressions of freedom that all Islamic societies/countries seem to be specialise in. However, that does not make non-Muslim oppression and violence somehow less important. My guess is that most of the people that act/think that way don't imagine Muslims in any other context. In Manchester, I find that a bizarre situation, as there are Muslims in every walk of life in this City and surrounds.
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What a horrible thing to say.
 
M18CTID said:
Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
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It happens the world over they just offer them the same benefits of gang membership and that's all IS, is a large and very violent gang
 
Following this thread and it's decent but there's next to fuck all comparisons to be made with the IRA.

The IRA committed some heinous atrocities however they were politically motivated and, importantly, came with warnings. Understandably that will bring very little light to those who have lost loved ones at the hands of the ira. After the omagh bombing, much of the sympathy they had for their cause was lost because that incident in particular was so different to the previous bombings carried out by PIRA.

Now, in a roundabout way, it can be argued that the IRA had some sort of morals where ISIS clearly don't. ISIS and their sympathisers will target the softest of soft targets and it's been without warning and with the aim of the maximum amount of casualties possible. The younger the better, if they're female then all the better as well.

Makes me sick to my stomach. Bastards.
 
M18CTID said:
Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
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I reckon there's plenty of people who aren't wired right that given certain circumstances would think nothing of killing people if there were no legal consequences. The threat of life imprisonment is enough to put most people off but take away that threat I reckon there's more than you might think. This was proven during WW2 where there were no shortage of people willing to join the Gestapo and SS.
 
M18CTID said:
Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
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It's certainly difficult to fathom but similar happens to those shooting up schools and the like in the USA. Daesh add a cause and a community for these loners, which sadly makes them all the more likely to follow what they're being told.

Still, I don't think that's a huge reason to beat ourselves up. A huge majority of those disaffected loners will not go on to commit atrocities like we've seen in Paris and labelling all of them as potentially dangerous is bound to do more harm than good. Just like labelling Islam as a bad religion.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Following this thread and it's decent but there's next to fuck all comparisons to be made with the IRA.

The IRA committed some heinous atrocities however they were politically motivated and, importantly, came with warnings. Understandably that will bring very little light to those who have lost loved ones at the hands of the ira. After the omagh bombing, much of the sympathy they had for their cause was lost because that incident in particular was so different to the previous bombings carried out by PIRA.

Now, in a roundabout way, it can be argued that the IRA had some sort of morals where ISIS clearly don't. ISIS and their sympathisers will target the softest of soft targets and it's been without warning and with the aim of the maximum amount of casualties possible. The younger the better, if they're female then all the better as well.

Makes me sick to my stomach. Bastards.
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good job those warnings stopped the loss of life, oh wait. the ira are no better than isis imo ,anybody willing to slaughter innocent men , women and children get lumped into the same category ,fucking evil scumbags
 
M18CTID said:
Am I the only one that finds it difficult to fathom how so many of these people make the huge leap from simply being disaffected to cold blooded killers? I could understand the odd one that wasn't wired up right getting roped into it but for so many to be turned so easily is hard to get my head round.
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Take a look at this:
 
peace frog said:
good job those warnings stopped the loss of life, oh wait. the ira are no better than isis imo ,anybody willing to slaughter innocent men , women and children get lumped into the same category ,fucking evil scumbags
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Why was it then that the IRA didn't have sole individuals running about beaches with guns shooting indiscriminately at every man, woman and kid they set eyes on? Why didn't they blow themselves up in nightclubs after shooting nearly every single person in the place.

This isn't a defence of the ira. They're cunts. But ISIS and their sympathisers are on another level.

EDIT - When Al Qaeda distance themselves from you because your actions are too severe, that sets alarm bells ringing.
 
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