Arsenal post match thread

[AwayDay]

Nothing is won In December, foundations are laid.

We are 6 points behind Leicester yet have to play them twice. 5 points behind Arsenal yet also have to play them again.

A long way to go. I will remember the Arsenal celebrations from last night as if they had won the title, reminded me of when the dippers beat us 3-2 at Anfield the year they fell apart. I enjoyed rubbing the dippers nose in it more when the title was awarded. Hopefully the same will happen.

I understand teams celebrating but that last night was for me a tad embarrassing or I am just not used to City being the scalp we seem to be these days.

Absolutely, you are a huge scalp, we had similar celebrations when we beat Bayern, knowing full well we've won nothing. We won't face another english team as good as you this season so the celebrations were well founded, don't forget we haven't had a "title" clash for about 10 years so this is big for us.

 

[TCIB]

Possible, and by no means were you hammered or anything (however you could have been as we really should have scored from those 2 other chances), however i think the thing id be most disappointed with if i was a city fan is the lack of passion/desire/work rate from almost all the city players. Again, I'm not sitting on my high horse, I've seen the same from arsenal many times however this season and most of last season we seem to have got rid of that bad attitude.

Not at all bud, nowt wrong with stating it as you see it without any bullshit added, i prefer that. A couple of other fans come on and have banter to, one is your arch enemy aka Crouchinho the spurs fella and sometimes Jack (Utd fan). Calling a spade a spade is fine in my book whoever you support.

Yeah the passion bit is where i can stay calm now as it does seem Pep is coming to us, ofc if that falls through i will go apeshit haha.
So yeah that does piss me off and some players need to go. I just feel Pellegrini does his best and keeping superstars on it game after game is something only the old piss can managed.
That is until Guardiola came along, and tbf Mourinho to even if he came with a 3yr expiry date. Klopp is the same but we need to wait and see his credentials outside of Dortmund yet.

We should havemore fire and desire defo but it is something i have accepted now we won't change until summer.
We will stutter along and hopefully be in the mix near the end.

 

[mancitymick]

Possible, and by no means were you hammered or anything (however you could have been as we really should have scored from those 2 other chances), however i think the thing id be most disappointed with if i was a city fan is the lack of passion/desire/work rate from almost all the city players. Again, I'm not sitting on my high horse, I've seen the same from arsenal many times however this season and most of last season we seem to have got rid of that bad attitude.

The other two chances you had were created by us having to take risks. The game was decided by a complete cock up for your second goal.

 

[the plasterer]

i still cant get my head around navas trying to square it instead of shooting, dozy fucker

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

You've just answered yourself with that reply. So it should've been MP getting the shit for the team set up not Yaya playing in a shit position correct? Just seemed strange to me you were bigging up Delph who played shit playing out of position on the left wing yet you were slagging Yaya..

Not seeing much "bigging up Delph" in my original comment......is he quicker? yes........does he have more energy? Yes........Not saying Delph is a better player than Yaya. You think Yaya is quicker and has more energy? sorry...disagree completely! But I do agree...MP has to take some of the blame, as felt he didnt put players in the best positions to play to their strenghts...

"Playing Delph out wide on the left was not the right move for this game...We need quicker players with lots of energy in the middle"

 

[ballinio]

I'm not sure what to make of city,
I can't understand why some expected us to completely outplay them and win easily and are somehow ok with playing well and losing.
You got silva de Bruyne Toure sterling Aguero. It's like a premier league dream team, im not surprised we sat back and approached the game in the same way we did against Bayern munich. City have so much talent in their side that I'd take that performance and win against them yesterday every day. We paid you the sort of respect, tactically, that we ll only do against Bayern and Barca , because of the calibre of players you have.
I don't understand why your expectations seem so low this season when you have such a great team.

Because my friend we're a bit like Wales in the past, we have a few fantastic players, a few above average players and , crucially, a few absolute pub players who should be no where near our 1st team, ally that to em not working hard enough & you may understand our negativity.

 

[afc16]

Absolutely, you are a huge scalp, we had similar celebrations when we beat Bayern, knowing full well we've won nothing. We won't face another english team as good as you this season so the celebrations were well founded, don't forget we haven't had a "title" clash for about 10 years so this is big for us.

Sorry but as a fellow gooner you are making us sound like some pub team thats just taken a big scalp. We can be like that when we beat bayern or barca as they are on another 2 levels to anyone else, but we are a lot closer to city, maybe even on a similar level. Any of the big 4 pl teams beating another should not be considered a huge 'scalp', but it can be considered a huge result. If i'm honest, its a bit embarrassing as a fellow arsenal fan, we aren't some small plucky team thats somehow pulled off their biggest win in years.

Regarding the celebrations, that insult has been aimed at us many times. surely its better then the passionless attitude that city showed yesterday? Our players recognised it was a big game, they were knackered, and probably the fact you scored late raised the adrenaline a bit more. Had it stayed at 2-0, i don't think they would have celebrated as much.

 

[bod the blue1969]

What would you do different Einstein?

toure has made a living in the past5 yrs of terrorising teams30-35 yds from "Their goal" not collecting the ball 30 yds from our goal,I'd have played Delph /fernandinho as 2 sitting midfielders then have toure silva de Bruyne running riot in midfield interchanging /supporting aguero &have sterling/navas (who I'd have great pleasure if he never wore a city kit again for me "no goals in 60 games says it all"worst winger I've ever seen in 35 yrs as a season tkt holder) allow toure to stay no more than40 yds from the oppositions goals because quite frankly in our half he's a liberty!!!

 

[AwayDay]

Sorry but as a fellow gooner you are making us sound like some pub team thats just taken a big scalp. We can be like that when we beat bayern or barca as they are on another 2 levels to anyone else, but we are a lot closer to city, maybe even on a similar level. Any of the big 4 pl teams beating another should not be considered a huge 'scalp', but it can be considered a huge result. If i'm honest, its a bit embarrassing as a fellow arsenal fan, we aren't some small plucky team thats somehow pulled off their biggest win in years.

Regarding the celebrations, that insult has been aimed at us many times. surely its better then the passionless attitude that city showed yesterday? Our players recognised it was a big game, they were knackered, and probably the fact you scored late raised the adrenaline a bit more. Had it stayed at 2-0, i don't think they would have celebrated as much.

City have won the league twice in the last 4 years, they rightly start as favourites for the title every season. Their squad is worth hundreds of millions.
We haven't seriously challenged for the title since 2005.
Its a big scalp alright, city have these title favourites clashes every season for the last 5, this is our first for a decade. I like our team, but we have a long way to go before we can see city as just another 3 points. That was a huge game for us against on paper a better team. Look at their bench, Sterling Navas Bony. We had Gibbs Ox iwobi and Maitland. They have the most talented squad in the country and player for player are they that far behind Bayern, I'm not sure. They can still operate in a transfer market that we can't reach so it's not in any way disparaging to our team to say they are better than us.

 

[Balti]

City have won the league twice in the last 4 years, they rightly start as favourites for the title every season. Their squad is worth hundreds of millions.
We haven't seriously challenged for the title since 2005.
Its a big scalp alright, city have these title favourites clashes every season for the last 5, this is our first for a decade. I like our team, but we have a long way to go before we can see city as just another 3 points. That was a huge game for us against on paper a better team. Look at their bench, Sterling Navas Bony. We had Gibbs Ox iwobi and Maitland. They have the most talented squad in the country and player for player are they that far behind Bayern, I'm not sure. They can still operate in a transfer market that we can't reach so it's not in any way disparaging to our team to say they are better than us.

''Look at their bench, Sterling Navas Bony''

 

[CelesteItis]

You are still favs for the title and if kompany had been playing instead of mangala you would have got minimum a draw. We didn't really play well either.. Anyway I am going to depart and wish you all the best for the season... Your still the best team in the league so chin up and have a good Christmas

A decent gooner!! Who would've thought it. Cheers, man.

 

[LittleEgg]

1. You say it wasn't close, yet I'm sure you mentioned we were the better team for the first 30 minutes + the last 15 so that's 45 minutes of us being the better team and 45 minutes of them - yes their 45 minutes was more significant hence they won, but I just don't see how you can claim we were so thoroughly outplayed (i.e. we were so dreadful we should have lost 4-5 nil), they won because they were tactically better and were more clinical, not because they played so much better than us.

2. Kept coming forward? Unless I'm mistaken they had 2 shots in the first half (I'm almost certain on this fact). They put together 2 decent attacks (in fact that's generous, they weren't attacking, we passed it to them for the 2nd, so one decent attack) and scored twice, so you must see my confusion about where you saw them creating so much trouble for us? After that it's natural they created a couple more chances when we're chasing a game 2-0 down - any team would.

3. Your point is you think City were far worse, my point is that I think we were slightly worse - these are opinions not facts. We agree on the second point though, our plan was non-existent/poor and contributed to the loss.

4. Men vs Boys for me is when it's very one sided in a certain department, if you're talking on the pitch, then like I said no chance, if we were boys they were teenagers at best. If you're talking tactics then like I said that's Wenger vs Pellegrini & I'm closer to sharing your opinion.

5. Do you really think we're off pace for CL spot? We're playing as bad as I've seen us for years, with crippling injuries to key players for almost the entirety of the season, and we're in 3rd. It's quite simply a fact that we are in the CL spot currently, and if the second half of the season repeated we would end up in the CL. Do you think we'll be worse in the second half? Personally cannot see it, with Kompany, Aguero & Silva back even if we're a mess tactically we should have enough (easily) to get top 4 & even challenge for 1st/2nd IMO. Don't get me wrong I think other teams will do better 2nd half, but I certainly think we will too.

6. I guess we'll agree to disagree about KdB chance, for me he scores that 8/10 times, which I'd call clear cut - even could have squared for Silva if he'd chosen to pass early for a 10/10 tap in. Yaya also missed a chance from a few yards out near the end at 2-1 (hit wide) - again I'd argue that was fairly clear cut even if he's under pressure. Again we'll have to agree to disagree because they looked shaky at the back & we looked like we had an equaliser in us if we'd scored 10 minutes earlier.

Well, think it's clear we're at different ends of the spectrum on that performance, for me it was more promising that if we can compete away at Arsenal (although still not good), that we can have a mediocre season & refresh in the summer. You obviously saw it as more worrying. Clearly we're not going to change each others opinions so I'll leave it there though.

City were far worse mate....i'd like to reply at length but i don't have the time or inclination left in me for another big post. It would simply be banging head against brick wall material anyways. You're a sky blue so its natural you are bias, i'm simply an unbiased stokie who watches all the city games...so make of that what you will.

Happy you are pleased though.

 

[bluejon]

I hope this is the right place for this comment, but I thought I'd ask. My first away game for about 6 years last night due to developing a family etc, but I'm still in shock at how shit the away support was last night. At one point I found myself booing (with a good few others) a bunch of clowns sat next to us with half and half scarves in the air. I'm hoping to god that this was purely because this was an 8pm kickoff right before xmas, and not what our away support is like now? I have faith blues, but fuck me, that was dreadful last night.

 

[stablemcfc]

City were far worse mate....i'd like to reply at length but i don't have the time or inclination left in me for another big post. It would simply be banging head against brick wall material anyways. You're a sky blue so its natural you are bias, i'm simply an unbiased stokie who watches all the city games...so make of that what you will.

Happy you are pleased though.

Crap response, fair enough not wanting to reply to the whole thing but don't bother replying at all then. Stating bias is bollocks to be frank, it's clear as day that when City are bad the fans say we're bad, and even go further the other way saying we're worse than we really were - often see posts the next day stating as such that it was heat of the moment. Like I said I have no problem whatsoever saying when an opponent was good, and no problem whatsoever saying when City were bad. You can disagree with my opinion and are welcome to your own opinion, but don't spout nonsense and state it as fact. Cheers.

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

City were far worse mate....i'd like to reply at length but i don't have the time or inclination left in me for another big post. It would simply be banging head against brick wall material anyways. You're a sky blue so its natural you are bias, i'm simply an unbiased stokie who watches all the city games...so make of that what you will.

Happy you are pleased though.

If you are a blue, then you are the worst kind.

 

[Champions2012!]

the next away match leicester, that will be them ,arsenal,utd spurs all done and dusted away ,im still hopeful if we can be a bit more fortunate with injuries,in the second half of the season,we could still be celebrating come may

Celebrating staying up yes

 

[Champions2012!]

I'm not sure what to make of city,
I can't understand why some expected us to completely outplay them and win easily and are somehow ok with playing well and losing.
You got silva de Bruyne Toure sterling Aguero. It's like a premier league dream team, im not surprised we sat back and approached the game in the same way we did against Bayern munich. City have so much talent in their side that I'd take that performance and win against them yesterday every day. We paid you the sort of respect, tactically, that we ll only do against Bayern and Barca , because of the calibre of players you have.
I don't understand why your expectations seem so low this season when you have such a great team.

It's like most of the fans are now settling for mediocrity...

 

[mosssideblue]

City were far worse mate....i'd like to reply at length but i don't have the time or inclination left in me for another big post. It would simply be banging head against brick wall material anyways. You're a sky blue so its natural you are bias, i'm simply an unbiased stokie who watches all the city games...so make of that what you will.

Happy you are pleased though.

Don't know if its just me, but I think you have some neck coming on here and posting the way you do. Happy to see other fans on here but there is something about your posting style/content that just doesn't sit right with me.

 

[Maldeika]

City have won the league twice in the last 4 years, they rightly start as favourites for the title every season. Their squad is worth hundreds of millions.
We haven't seriously challenged for the title since 2005.
Its a big scalp alright, city have these title favourites clashes every season for the last 5, this is our first for a decade. I like our team, but we have a long way to go before we can see city as just another 3 points. That was a huge game for us against on paper a better team. Look at their bench, Sterling Navas Bony. We had Gibbs Ox iwobi and Maitland. They have the most talented squad in the country and player for player are they that far behind Bayern, I'm not sure. They can still operate in a transfer market that we can't reach so it's not in any way disparaging to our team to say they are better than us.

Right now City has a bunch of good players - that maybe do not even match together too good. But without a system and without a team. It might work ok in the EPL as until recently it is not just the top teams that work in similar fashion but also the small teams that e.g. collectively got behind the ball to go as fast back to the penalty box when loosing the ball instead of actively pressing and winning the ball back in Gegenpressing. Some of the smaller teams seem to have made a look to the continent recently and you remark that in the EPL...

The mistake some make is to compare players - but you have to compare system, team and players. The difference of the players of City to the ones at Barca, Bayern or Real is not that big - but they are back behind in other aspects and that just needs not only teaching but some time, too.

 

[blueplan]

In comparison to above elite teams we are retarded in certain areas.
Every Player on the squad needs to be a footballer with an above average set of footie skills and repertoire of passing skills and sound distribution.
Unfortunately we have a GK who lack the above average attributes. It stands to reason we are unevenly yoked.
Hopefully PG will ensure that it's rectified what Peller and especially Mancini couldn't.