EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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I just cannot see a compelling argument to leave. We know what the status quo looks like and by staying in we can influence European legislation and attitudes going forwards.

The outs paint broad brush strokes about benefits from leaving but cannot define in detail what they are and some of their allegations are just plain wrong. For example - we are ruled by Europe and all our laws come from Brussels. There are 180 bills tabled so far for this parliament - that doesn't look like a country who just accepts laws from abroad.

I have heard we pay anything from £50m to £56m per day to the EU. Yes we would stop paying that but none of the outers say how that saved money would be spent. I doubt very much anybody of my "class" will see any of that money - no promises to use it to abolish NI for example. They talk about freedom to trade with the world - that just isn't so simple - there will be years of negotiations around the world with various countries and trading blocs to secure markets beyond the initial promise of a trade agreement. And when it comes to Europe forget what the current leaders say or promise in a few years time if it suits the then German chancellor or French President to fuck us over on trade they will.

It seems to me - mostly thanks to a right wing bias in the press the whole debate will revolve around immigration. Its about way way more than that and the irony will be that its likely leaving will make things worse If we aren't in the EU the French will put the entire population of the Jungle on trains and let them go set up shop on our South Coast - we won't have any fences any cops any border guards on French soil to try and stop it - why? Because we voted to come out of the EU.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I just cannot see a compelling argument to leave. We know what the status quo looks like and by staying in we can influence European legislation and attitudes going forwards.

The outs paint broad brush strokes about benefits from leaving but cannot define in detail what they are and some of their allegations are just plain wrong. For example - we are ruled by Europe and all our laws come from Brussels. There are 180 bills tabled so far for this parliament - that doesn't look like a country who just accepts laws from abroad.

I have heard we pay anything from £50m to £56m per day to the EU. Yes we would stop paying that but none of the outers say how that saved money would be spent. I doubt very much anybody of my "class" will see any of that money - no promises to use it to abolish NI for example. They talk about freedom to trade with the world - that just isn't so simple - there will be years of negotiations around the world with various countries and trading blocs to secure markets beyond the initial promise of a trade agreement. And when it comes to Europe forget what the current leaders say or promise in a few years time if it suits the then German chancellor or French President to fuck us over on trade they will.

It seems to me - mostly thanks to a right wing bias in the press the whole debate will revolve around immigration. Its about way way more than that and the irony will be that its likely leaving will make things worse If we aren't in the EU the French will put the entire population of the Jungle on trains and let them go set up shop on our South Coast - we won't have any fences any cops any border guards on French soil to try and stop it - why? Because we voted to come out of the EU.
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In or out?
 
So can someone explain to me in simple terms what would be the advantages/disadvantages of opting in? I have no real interest in politics and this seems pretty important. Been looking on the interweb all day and its all very confusing to me
 
kippaxwarrior said:
So can someone explain to me in simple terms what would be the advantages/disadvantages of opting in? I have no real interest in politics and this seems pretty important. Been looking on the interweb all day and its all very confusing to me
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In is what you have got already - out is something different

That sums up what both sides are saying for now - fucking scary eh????
 
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Unfortunately alot of the 'Outers' (not on here) are coming across as little englanders with only the brain cells to think that by coming out the EU , immigration will be stopped. They don't care about the benefits immigration has bought us.

Not only this , economically we are the 5th richest country, if being in the EU has hampered this nation so much - how come we are thriving ? How come employment is so high ?

We are a great nation - there will be pro's and cons for staying in and going. either outcome won't change anything for us individually - why risk what we already have ? Not only this - we have negotiated better terms that benefit us ( these terms will fall on deaf ears to those that want us out ) ... The world is changing, it's uniting, why turn our back and isolate ourselves from a Europe that can all help each other in times of need.

Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith and the Britain First mob want us out. Fuck em'
 
BlueHammer85 said:
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Unfortunately alot of the 'Outers' (not on here) are coming across as little englanders with only the brain cells to think that by coming out the EU , immigration will be stopped. They don't care about the benefits immigration has bought us.

Not only this , economically we are the 5th richest country, if being in the EU has hampered this nation so much - how come we are thriving ? How come employment is so high ?

We are a great nation - there will be pro's and cons for staying in and going. either outcome won't change anything for us individually - why risk what we already have ? Not only this - we have negotiated better terms that benefit us ( these terms will fall on deaf ears to those that want us out ) ... The world is changing, it's uniting, why turn our back and isolate ourselves from a Europe that can all help each other in times of need.

Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith and the Britain First mob want us out. Fuck em'
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I bet thats something the outers will consider an inconvenient truth over the coming weeks
 
BlueHammer85 said:
In

Unfortunately alot of the 'Outers' (not on here) are coming across as little englanders with only the brain cells to think that by coming out the EU , immigration will be stopped. They don't care about the benefits immigration has bought us.

Not only this , economically we are the 5th richest country, if being in the EU has hampered this nation so much - how come we are thriving ? How come employment is so high ?

We are a great nation - there will be pro's and cons for staying in and going. either outcome won't change anything for us individually - why risk what we already have ? Not only this - we have negotiated better terms that benefit us ( these terms will fall on deaf ears to those that want us out ) ... The world is changing, it's uniting, why turn our back and isolate ourselves from a Europe that can all help each other in times of need.

Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith and the Britain First mob want us out. Fuck em'
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Gove wanting us out is as good as any reason to want us in. He's a fucking idiot and has been wrong on absolutely everything be has done in government.
 
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