Was it all a big mistake

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As we debate on whether to replace MP before seasons end to save our dwindling fortunes to avoid giving Pep his first taste of Europa ( great present Txiki ) and we say goodbye to the manager who not only has lost the dressing room for sure ala our previous manager the question has to be asked whether hiring MP in the first place would be viewed as the right choice for the time.

I title , 2 league cups , progress to the knock out stage in the Chumps League three times.

It of course without a doubt we will get smashed by PSG especially without VK , Joe , Sterling etc in the lineup so given that its time to start this debate.

Would we have been better placed now had we hired a younger more tactical , more forward thinking manager a manager who can set up the side to play attractive football without compromising the ability to defend and attack as a team.

We could think of a number of them and one of them is in charge of a side that will finish well above us this year.

My answer is it was a mistake as the charter of a manager is to at least leave the side in a better position and have a stronger team than the one he inherited.

Given all the investment over the past three years I would say we have regressed significantly both in performance level , attractiveness/entertainment value ( as evidenced by the number of people leaving the ground with still minutes of playing time left in a Derby FFS because most thought we had no hope of scoring which proved to be correct ).

Most managers any manager would have been able to get this squad competing effectively week in week out with what was available when MP took over so I don't think our title which won because Liverpool choked was largely due to his input.

The last two seasons we have seen the real MP which was always there from the beginning come to the fore.


I say we could have made a much better choice and would be much better placed to see the value of the likes of Nacho and one or two others irrespective of the injuries which in itself MP cannot absolve himself of completely either.

A classic point on Sunday when he shouldn't have even started with MDM , played Sagna at Centre Half , Zabba or Kolorov ( who he lost complete faith in now and vica versa ) which cost us our keeper for the remainder of the season.


Yep a mistake I reckon , what do the rest think.
 
Bit of a defeatist comment regarding PSG.

MP was a good appointment at the time. People forget we were a divided and underperforming team under Bobby and MP did bring a semblance of stability to the situation.

We gambled as a club in deciding to wait for Pep and in fairness MP did a reasonable job in light of FFP up to the middle of last season. The failure this season is a combination of many factors, not just the manager. It's easy to judge the decision to stick with him this season as poor in hindsight, but it would have been difficult to find someone willing to continue the holistic approach for one season.
We have to wait until Pep is in charge to see if the gamble has been worth it.
 
I think we could certainly have chosen someone who would have been better over the three years, but we don't have to downplay our achievement in winning the title in 2014. We didn't win it because Liverpool choked, we won it because we won our last five games, and did so with some brilliant controlled performances. Drawing at Palace was a bit of a choke, but one we didn't need at that point. If you don't want to give Pellegrini any credit, then you could argue it was still Mancini's team winning with collective muscle memory, but let's not detract from a well-deserved title.
 
At the beginning of the season when we renewed his contract and we were top of the table, most of us were saying its the best signing in the summer. But unfortunately, the gas ran out of the team after Pep announcement.
 
So "the real fans" leave five minutes early on Derby Day lol!

Sorry mate but I couldn't take your post seriously after your comment about early leavers. Each to their owni I suppose!
 
i stated on here before we got pelligrini that i wanted simione. some might not like his style be the bloke has a fantastic record and i doubt we would of been in this god awful mess we find ourselves in
 
A big mistake and we should never have got rid of Mancini.
I'm still raging about Pellegrini ruining the Wigan cup Final!

I question though if Tiki wanted the success from Mancini as he had a personal battle with him and knew if Mancini became so strong he could never get Pep
 
I think before MP was actually appointed the moves for Pep were already under way to take over from whoever we would employ before. It turned out to be MP because those that be, decided he was the best fit to sort out the issues we had at the end of bobby's time. At first it turned out to be a great move, league and cup double in the first season.

But bear in mind this was a team in RM's mould, it was defensively sound and had fluid attacking movement. The problem is that MP is not and nowhere near a good a tactician or able to defensively set up a team like RM did. Because of this our team lost its defensive nous as any team would over the course of 3 years with no direction being given.

Peller's flaws have come home to roost this season, throw into the mix an ageing squad in key areas and injuries to boot. People could say transfers but we actually bought the 2 most sort after CB's in Mangala and Otamendi when they were available, unfortunately they just haven't worked out - Yet

A different style of defensive duty (i.e. no high line for example) may actually suit their style better than what we do now

role on the summer please
 
MadchesterCity said:
A big mistake and we should never have got rid of Mancini.
I'm still raging about Pellegrini ruining the Wigan cup Final!

I question though if Tiki wanted the success from Mancini as he had a personal battle with him and knew if Mancini became so strong he could never get Pep
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So now Pellegrini is to blame for losing the cup final when he wasn't here. Any relegations we can put down to him?

Stopped reading the OP with his comment about the PSG game. Nothing in football is without a doubt
 
its all about the players and the power they now run the club pellegrini just lets them do what they like its all to soft and pellegrini just sit there and watch the world go by there is no plan B no movement no running of the ball he is clueless and should not be our manager. mancini had a iron rod its was his way and you do what your told all the work was done in training we was a team you could see what we are doing the passion on the touch line was there for all to see. yes mistakes was made and Mario was the wrong choice to back but if your mistakes are a few the success out numbered them we was a team a club and the players did what they was told

funny that i see a lot of mancini in pep a strong person and power to stand up to the players its going to his way or your out maybe that why a lot of the players are wanting out in the summer and down tools already
 
willy eckerslike said:
Bit of a defeatist comment regarding PSG.

It's easy to judge the decision to stick with him this season as poor in hindsight, but it would have been difficult to find someone willing to continue the holistic approach for one season.
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What exactly is the holistic approach? Please explain? I'm all ears.
 
mancity1 said:
As we debate on whether to replace MP before seasons end to save our dwindling fortunes to avoid giving Pep his first taste of Europa ( great present Txiki ) and we say goodbye to the manager who not only has lost the dressing room for sure ala our previous manager the question has to be asked whether hiring MP in the first place would be viewed as the right choice for the time.

I title , 2 league cups , progress to the knock out stage in the Chumps League three times.

It of course without a doubt we will get smashed by PSG especially without VK , Joe , Sterling etc in the lineup so given that its time to start this debate.

Would we have been better placed now had we hired a younger more tactical , more forward thinking manager a manager who can set up the side to play attractive football without compromising the ability to defend and attack as a team.

We could think of a number of them and one of them is in charge of a side that will finish well above us this year.

My answer is it was a mistake as the charter of a manager is to at least leave the side in a better position and have a stronger team than the one he inherited.

Given all the investment over the past three years I would say we have regressed significantly both in performance level , attractiveness/entertainment value ( as evidenced by the number of people leaving the ground with still minutes of playing time left in a Derby FFS because most thought we had no hope of scoring which proved to be correct ).

Most managers any manager would have been able to get this squad competing effectively week in week out with what was available when MP took over so I don't think our title which won because Liverpool choked was largely due to his input.

The last two seasons we have seen the real MP which was always there from the beginning come to the fore.


I say we could have made a much better choice and would be much better placed to see the value of the likes of Nacho and one or two others irrespective of the injuries which in itself MP cannot absolve himself of completely either.

A classic point on Sunday when he shouldn't have even started with MDM , played Sagna at Centre Half , Zabba or Kolorov ( who he lost complete faith in now and vica versa ) which cost us our keeper for the remainder of the season.


Yep a mistake I reckon , what do the rest think.
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He's always been gash. Gerard's slip aside he would have won 2 carling cups. He should have been fucked off last year! Never has this clown got us playing as we did in 2012 especially the first half of that season. He deserves no credit in my opinion. He has not improved one single player in the squad in fact some have gone backwards. His signings or his use of txixis signings has been diabolical he's made most look inept. His refusal to play the kids except to humiliate them at Chelsea is a disgrace. He's an absolute fraud who's record against top teams is a disgrace. He wants fucking off now.
 
jaigurugoat said:
What exactly is the holistic approach? Please explain? I'm all ears.
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As far as I know, and it's the club's term, it means we set up all our teams across the club to play in a style which will ultimately enable a smooth transition between managers for the first teams. In short, buy the players and employ a manager to suit the system and not the traditional way of building a team around the players' (or a single player's) abilities.

It explains why MP appears to have no plan B. This is why it's not all MP's fault, he's just implementing the system which seems to be designed for another man.
 
willy eckerslike said:
As far as I know, and it's the club's term, it means we set up all our teams across the club to play in a style which will ultimately enable a smooth transition between managers for the first teams. In short, buy the players and employ a manager to suit the system and not the traditional way of building a team around the players' (or a single player's) abilities.

It explains why MP appears to have no plan B. This is why it's not all MP's fault, he's just implementing the system which seems to be designed for another man.
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Then it's been a huge failure hasn't it because the transition is going to be anything but smooth.
It's also a get out for a manager who doesn't deserve one. Blaming the holistic approach for his shortcomings is a stretch.
 
some very good posts in here. there are many different views and many reasons for us regressing. I am in the mancini corner. I think the whole of football breathed a sigh of relief when we sacked him. we were feared, respected and were formidable under him. sacking him was the own goal of all own goals. with our money I would shown ANY player revolting the door. when MP came in he most certainly knew pep was coming, it was even posted on here ffs. he's done ok by and large but his biggest error is he doesn't learn from his mistakes. you can talk about mancini this pellers that and whatever you like about the rights and wrong about announcing pep but the bottom line is that, MP, for whatever reason is knowingly weakening our chances of finishing top four. sounds harsh I know but if someone can tell me why he would CHOOSE MDM in a Derby, or after his Norwich debacle Bony over the kid. Kelchi has already shown far more promise and in much better form already. there is no justification to leave him out over Bony of all people. the daft thing is we sacrificed Edin for Bony. ycmiu. well its city so yes you could.
 
mancity1 said:
As we debate on whether to replace MP before seasons end to save our dwindling fortunes to avoid giving Pep his first taste of Europa ( great present Txiki ) and we say goodbye to the manager who not only has lost the dressing room for sure ala our previous manager the question has to be asked whether hiring MP in the first place would be viewed as the right choice for the time.

I title , 2 league cups , progress to the knock out stage in the Chumps League three times.

It of course without a doubt we will get smashed by PSG especially without VK , Joe , Sterling etc in the lineup so given that its time to start this debate.

Would we have been better placed now had we hired a younger more tactical , more forward thinking manager a manager who can set up the side to play attractive football without compromising the ability to defend and attack as a team.

We could think of a number of them and one of them is in charge of a side that will finish well above us this year.

My answer is it was a mistake as the charter of a manager is to at least leave the side in a better position and have a stronger team than the one he inherited.

Given all the investment over the past three years I would say we have regressed significantly both in performance level , attractiveness/entertainment value ( as evidenced by the number of people leaving the ground with still minutes of playing time left in a Derby FFS because most thought we had no hope of scoring which proved to be correct ).

Most managers any manager would have been able to get this squad competing effectively week in week out with what was available when MP took over so I don't think our title which won because Liverpool choked was largely due to his input.

The last two seasons we have seen the real MP which was always there from the beginning come to the fore.


I say we could have made a much better choice and would be much better placed to see the value of the likes of Nacho and one or two others irrespective of the injuries which in itself MP cannot absolve himself of completely either.

A classic point on Sunday when he shouldn't have even started with MDM , played Sagna at Centre Half , Zabba or Kolorov ( who he lost complete faith in now and vica versa ) which cost us our keeper for the remainder of the season.


Yep a mistake I reckon , what do the rest think.
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Hindsight
 
Pablo1 said:
Then it's been a huge failure hasn't it because the transition is going to be anything but smooth.
It's also a get out for a manager who doesn't deserve one. Blaming the holistic approach for his shortcomings is a stretch.
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We don't know if it's a failure until Pep's here. If he does the quadruple next year with the same plan and a bunch of kids from the EDS then somebody is a genius and the gamble has worked and the transition is very smooth.

Alternatively maybe Pep has said he'll rip up the plan when he comes - who knows.
 
willy eckerslike said:
We don't know if it's a failure until Pep's here. If he does the quadruple next year with the same plan and a bunch of kids from the EDS then somebody is a genius and the gamble has worked and the transition is very smooth.

Alternatively maybe Pep has said he'll rip up the plan when he comes - who knows.
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If we won the quadruple next season with the same players it would only confirm that the last two years have been wasted rather than holistic.
 
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