EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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hgblue said:
It would be highly naive to believe that ISIS haven't taken advantage of the migrant crisis to get significant numbers of potential terrorists into the EU, and stupidity of the highest order to continue to allow the free movement of people when faced with that prospect.
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Doing what ISIS want you to do is stupidity of the highest order. Banning the movement of Muslims which is not far off what many are calling for would be the greatest gift ever given to them. We do need to know much more who has come in and we should be spending more dealing with refugees properly and getting a far better handle on the issue, but not if it means serving IsIs and granting their wishes . Besides this is absolutely fuck all to do with the EU and shouldn't be in this thread. We the uk played a huge role in starting , causing this crisis (not the EU) and we are going to have to play a big part inSolving it , in or out.

Shows how desperate the outters are getting if an EU thread is becoming an anti ISIS thread, will be reading about how the commission coordinates ISIS through at this rate. This post and a few others should be moved by a mod to the Brussells one
 
aguero93:20 said:
They'll try. Closed borders didn't stop the 9/11 attacks though and doesn't stop home grown terrorism, which is a far bigger issue. They didn't need to sneak anyone in to achieve the Paris attacks and the ancestral lands of the terrorists didn't have an open immigration policy with the EU. The 7/7 bombings were the same and most likely the recent attacks in Brussels will be too. The link between the Paris attacks and Syrian refugees is one of coincidence and not causation.
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The Syrian passport was left there very calculatedly and very deliberately by ISIS to further their main aim of having the ignorant right vilify all Muslims and give them the greatest recruiting seargent they can dream of.

To make the EU vote about terrorism though is firstly stupid and secondly it's playing to ISIS tune and shows fear and division just when unity and courage are needed. Once we had Churchill now we have Farage - it's sad
 
EalingBlue2, you just don't want to see the truth do you? It's well recorded that the paris bombers used the migrant trail and the lovely open borders to freely move about. No one is denying it. Except you. But then you think everyone else is to blame for terrorism rather than the terrorists and their morally bankrupt religion which just a day ago motivated some muslim **** to kill a fellow muslim for wishing people happy easter!
Get your head out of your arse for a moment and look around!
 
Mr nobody from the CIB comment on Europe in a negative way and the outters jump on and defend everything . Strange after all the comments from Boris that when someone like David Petraeus invokes Churchill that everyone is quiet.

I happen to agree with him "there is only one thing worse than fighting with allies and that is fighting without them"

I don't happen to agree with him that Brexit will make too much of a difference either way on security the bad guys are already here, but I Do think the time and resources wasted on Brexit will cost jobs and lives. Not because of security of cooperation issues but because it is time and money wasted on secondary problems
 
yes the bad guys are no doubt already here

but why would we keep the door wide open for more to join them?

these two issues are obviously inextricably linked

unless for some reason you actually want more ISIS supporters to have the right to move to the UK of course
 
Gelsons Dad said:
EalingBlue2, you just don't want to see the truth do you? It's well recorded that the paris bombers used the migrant trail and the lovely open borders to freely move about. No one is denying it. Except you. But then you think everyone else is to blame for terrorism rather than the terrorists and their morally bankrupt religion which just a day ago motivated some muslim **** to kill a fellow muslim for wishing people happy easter!
Get your head out of your arse for a moment and look around!
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I look around and see a tin pot group with a few hundred active members bringing hundred of millions to their knees in fear . I see a small group whose aim is to change our lives and our values and who seek to divide Europe against itself and to turn the west against the whole of Islam.

Sadly I then see people who should be dead against them and everything they stand for actually going along with their aims and doing their dirty work for them - these people say they are vehemently opposed but are acting in a way that can only help ISIS.

Borders or no borders most of the terrorists are home grown and quite a few were clean skin so could happily have moved between Belgium and France. Any passports found were put there very deliberately because ISIS wants you to talk exactly how you have talked and to sell out the western values they hate and to close up and cower in fear .

The London bombs wouldn't have happened if we had borders around London, many of the IRA bombs wouldn't have happened with borders enforced around Ireland and Northern Ireland. Exactly how far will your fear drive you? Truth is that borders will change in Europe but we aren't in Schengen anyway.
 
Balti said:
yes the bad guys are no doubt already here

but why would we keep the door wide open for more to join them?

these two issues are obviously inextricably linked

unless for some reason you actually want more ISIS supporters to have the right to move to the UK of course
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They should be crushed and we should be focusing out energy on doing that not trying to pretend the EU vote is a terrorist issue and waste our resources and energy on that.
 
From John Ward - The Slog -
I must say, I think we of the School Leaver tendency in the Brussels Academy 6th Form have missed a trick thus far on the real trade deficit from which the EU suffers: the War and Peace import/export paradigm.
It’s actually a very simple calculation to make, by asking four questions:
  1. How many wars in Europe have we stopped?
  2. How much war have we imported?
  3. How much war have we started?
  4. How much war have we exported?
The answer to Q 1 is easy: none. After 1949 (when the USSR got its own bomb) war with the Soviets was a non-starter because of mutually assured destruction (MAD), and non-nuclear invasion of Western Europe by the USSR was deterred by the US nuclear presence. Following the Soviet collapse, several wars followed in quick succession as a result: the Yugoslav splintering started the Bosnian War (1992 – 1995). The same cause triggered the Kosovo War (1998-1999), starting a third wave of unrest in Kosovo during 2004 and only ending with an uneasy peace in 2013. NATO and US diplomacy did 95+% of the peace-making: the EU failed to influence any outcomes or stop the conflicts.

Q 2

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/reason-no-142-for-brexit-the-eu-is-a-war-magnet/









 
Just seen that the 3rd terrorist from the Brussels attack has been released due to lack of evidence. Despite being pictured with the others terrorists as they are about to blow themselves up. That right there should be reason enough for everyone to vote out of Europe.

Mind decided.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Just seen that the 3rd terrorist from the Brussels attack has been released due to lack of evidence. Despite being pictured with the others terrorists as they are about to blow themselves up. That right there should be reason enough for everyone to vote out of Europe.

Mind decided.
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So a man was arrested for looking like a terrorist, but it wasn't him so he has been released but because of that I should vote to leave Europe? If Europe decided to arrest every Muslim would you then vote to stay in?
 
Monkfish said:
So a man was arrested for looking like a terrorist, but it wasn't him so he has been released but because of that I should vote to leave Europe? If Europe decided to arrest every Muslim would you then vote to stay in?
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Who mentioned Muslims you weirdo?
 
True_Blue69 said:
Just seen that the 3rd terrorist from the Brussels attack has been released due to lack of evidence. Despite being pictured with the others terrorists as they are about to blow themselves up. That right there should be reason enough for everyone to vote out of Europe.

Mind decided.
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We are in Europe full stop! Is this a WUM?

It is EU membership that is being voted on!
 
Just curious as to why one innocent Muslim released from custody should lead to an eu exit, you haven't posted about anyone else being released without charge have you?
 
Monkfish said:
Just curious as to why one innocent Muslim released from custody should lead to an eu exit, you haven't posted about anyone else being released without charge have you?
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Sounds like you have some kind of religious chip on your shoulder pal. I said that a terrorist, who was with 2 other terrorists, who blew themselves up has been released back into society. Who cares if they were Muslim, they could have been Martian for all I know / care.

I haven't posted about anyone else not being released from charge, what's your point?
 
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