EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

No one has yet explained why we can't be part of a European regional trading bloc without having to undergo ever closer political and economic union. Japan, China, Russia & the USA are discrete political entities so don't have to worry about that. Yet there are regional trading blocs in North America and the Far East that involve multiple countries and where there is no requirement for closer political and economic integration.

I have no problem with a single European market. It makes great economic sense. But I do not want a European Union, which is what's on offer. And if we don't feel we should be a full member of that (including joining the Euro) then the only alternative is to come out.

We can as long as we adhere to the rules that they choose to be part of this game and agree to rules that we have no part in setting!

It's quite clear a large chunk of the Brexit crowd live in a fantasy land where Britain still rules the waves and will be welcomed al over the world with favourable trade deals. It's also quite clear most don't know where laws are set, etc

Britain had its day a century or more ago, since then it has been a long slow decline from ruling the waves to being just another country. This vote is like a mid life crisis, do you stick to the wife or remortgage the house to buy a sports car, pull the secretary to make you young again. But doing it with no idea if the secretary is interested or if you can afford to pay off the sports car.

Will it be one last glorious hurrah or will it just be a hastily sold sports car and retirement to a small bedsit after the missus takes you to the cleaners, does it matter either way if old age and death is inevitable?

thats the gamble....

 

[blueonblue]

An yet this poor little "Just other country" is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, why do you think the companies of Europe would not want to trade with us ?, all the EU make is rules an we can do without theirs.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

An yet this poor little "Just other country" is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, why do you think the companies of Europe would not want to trade with us ?, all the EU make is rules an we can do without theirs.

It's what lefties do, they love to disparage and denigrate their own country, even one that has the worlds fifth biggest economy.
The supreme irony is that whenever they feel one of their 'just causes' is being starved of funding, they will immediately tell you how
we can easily afford it as we're 'One of the richest countries in the world.'

 

[BlueHammer85]

An yet this poor little "Just other country" is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, why do you think the companies of Europe would not want to trade with us ?, all the EU make is rules an we can do without theirs.

A rich and thriving country eh ? how has this been allowed to happen when we've been dictated by the EU which we are pouring billions into...

 

[blueish swede]

It's only recently become the fifth biggest economy in the world as other economies shrank during the global recession. It isn't a hang over from the days of Empire like the outers would have people believe. The British economy rode the recession better thanks to bold the economic policies implemented by the Labour Govt.

Now the Tories are in charge the economy is on it's arse and it's projected to fall to 8th largest within the next few years (3 iir) even if it stays in the EU. If it leaves it will sink like a stone.

 

[CityStu]

It's only recently become the fifth biggest economy in the world as other economies shrank during the global recession. It isn't a hang over from the days of Empire like the outers would have people believe. The British economy rode the recession better thanks to bold the economic policies implemented by the Labour Govt.

Now the Tories are in charge the economy is on it's arse and it's projected to fall to 8th largest within the next few years (3 iir) even if it stays in the EU. If it leaves it will sink like a stone.

So presumably you, in Sweden, want the UK and its faltering economy to leave the EU?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's only recently become the fifth biggest economy in the world as other economies shrank during the global recession. It isn't a hang over from the days of Empire like the outers would have people believe. The British economy rode the recession better thanks to bold the economic policies implemented by the Labour Govt.

Now the Tories are in charge the economy is on it's arse and it's projected to fall to 8th largest within the next few years (3 iir) even if it stays in the EU. If it leaves it will sink like a stone.

Nobody has ever suggested that it's is because of the days of empire, and nobody has tried to persuade anyone that that is the reason.
Labour spending like a drunken sailor on 'investments' like hundreds of thousands of civil service non jobs prior to the crash compounded the problems,
this is now being reversed and jobs have moved back to the private sector, which is where everything is generated in the first place.

 

[blueonblue]

It's what lefties do, they love to disparage and denigrate their own country, even one that has the worlds fifth biggest economy.
The supreme irony is that whenever they feel one of their 'just causes' is being starved of funding, they will immediately tell you how
we can easily afford it as we're 'One of the richest countries in the world.'

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Nail on the head, nor is there argument that floods of cheap labour are damaging pay and conditions of the "underclass" they claim to support, the same for health care and education, yet its the lefties who are happy to quote those big businesses who want to stay in as bastions of truth, you know, those evil enemies built on the blood of the working class.

 

[blueish swede]

So presumably you, in Sweden, want the UK and its faltering economy to leave the EU?

I'm torn - I still have family in the UK, who I think will suffer if it does leave, so I would probably want it to stay in for that reason alone. But for me personally I want the EU to vote the UK out (or at least England).
I want to know when do we get a vote? When do we get to choose to get rid of the wasters and the whingers that the UK seems to be made up of now? Always complaining, never to blame for their own predicament, always someone elses fault. It's like Scouse has evolved, become cotageous and infeceted the whole country.

 

[Monkfish]

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Nail on the head, nor is there argument that floods of cheap labour are damaging pay and conditions of the "underclass" they claim to support, the same for health care and education, yet its the lefties who are happy to quote those big businesses who want to stay in as bastions of truth, you know, those evil enemies built on the blood of the working class.

wtf has it got to do with left or right? plenty on the left want out, plenty on the right want in