EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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What many people simply do not realize is that far from getting cheaper by being in the EU, we pay MORE than the open market world price, and that is on top of what we pay just to be a member of the club. Add that to the cost of the mountains of rules and regulations heaped on our companies in order to sell less than 10% of our exports to the EU an it makes little or no sense to be a member.

Professor Minford CBE is one of the leading economists in the country, an well worth looking up on youtube if you want to weigh up the pros an cons of what the politicians are trying to tell you.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
It was never about influencing and from your comments it is clearly having the desired effect
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So is this you admitting that your agenda is to suppress discussion by posting meaningless shite rather than enter any relevant points because you can not support your stance with reason or fact ?, how very little leftie of you ;0(
 
blueonblue said:
So is this you admitting that your agenda is to suppress discussion by posting meaningless shite rather than enter any relevant points because you can not support your stance with reason or fact ?, how very little leftie of you ;0(
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No it's not, it is me saying that there is lots of thinking that cannot be cured and people whose thinking should not be influenced
 
SWP's back said:
Yes it is. So long as that desired effect was turning me off the idea of the EU. My first vote was to stay in. Well done.
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I would love to think there are people in this world whose votes are influenced by Bluemoon it would be a beautiful thing. People's worlds shaped by off topic - it is a golden thought but as realistic as Nigel farage's vision for the future.

Ultimately out may be the only way of making people realise that Europe was never the issue and though it'll make things worse maybe they have to get worse before home truths are accepted and Britain starts blaming Britain for Britain's woes and not always avoiding the issues.
 
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I think its more that views like yours when exposed for what they are can convince people that the wrong side is yours ;0)
 
Just a couple of questions.

Cameron promised to hold an EU referendum before the election win. Why did he promise this ? What brought this about in the first place.

Why, after winning the election did he not just squirm his way out of it like politicians Do on a lot of the promises they make pre election ?

It just seems odd that he would push for something he seems very dead against.

I'm quite ill informed about how the ball got rolling on this pre election
 
bobmcfc said:
Just a couple of questions.

Cameron promised to hold an EU referendum before the election win. Why did he promise this ? What brought this about in the first place.

Why, after winning the election did he not just squirm his way out of it like politicians Do on a lot of the promises they make pre election ?

It just seems odd that he would push for something he seems very dead against.

I'm quite ill informed about how the ball got rolling on this pre election
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The UKIP vote comprised of about 4 million, I think, and the UKIP message was gaining traction daily, hence his promise to ask the populace
if re-elected. He thought, probably rightly, that Conservatives considering defecting would return to the fold with the referendum promise,
and the welcome bonus of many Labour voters turning to UKIP did him no harm in the election.
 
bobmcfc said:
Just a couple of questions.

Cameron promised to hold an EU referendum before the election win. Why did he promise this ? What brought this about in the first place.

Why, after winning the election did he not just squirm his way out of it like politicians Do on a lot of the promises they make pre election ?

It just seems odd that he would push for something he seems very dead against.

I'm quite ill informed about how the ball got rolling on this pre election
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The election was going to be very close and he was worried that sufficient Tory voters would potentially vote UKIP shifting the balance of the result, so he offered a referendum to keep them on board.

Impossible for him to squirm out of it because there'd have been open warfare in his own party if he had.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
No it's not, it is me saying that there is lots of thinking that cannot be cured and people whose thinking should not be influenced
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What you mean is, some people don't think like you, and so they must be wrong.
You may like to factor in the possibility that some 'black boys' don't either.
 
bobmcfc said:
Just a couple of questions.

Cameron promised to hold an EU referendum before the election win. Why did he promise this ? What brought this about in the first place.

Why, after winning the election did he not just squirm his way out of it like politicians Do on a lot of the promises they make pre election ?

It just seems odd that he would push for something he seems very dead against.

I'm quite ill informed about how the ball got rolling on this pre election
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As others have said, the pressure of UKIP and many of his own party caused the referendum promise.

I believe he would have squirmed out of it in the event that the government was a Tory/Lib coalition again. The Libs were dead against a referendum and Cameron would have been only too happy to oblige striking it from the combined manifesto.

As it was, the Tories won outright, removing that option.
 
InMyLifetime-BaconChops said:
I think some people are blinded by the idea that we wouldn't trade if we leave the EU...
Arguably the EU need us more than we need them...we are their 2nd biggest economy...where else will they start sourcing all are exports from?
Yes tariffs will come into play; but there will both be export&import tariffs.

The US still remains our second biggest trading partner to Germany at 10%...that wouldn't change.
Whilst the fundamental idea of the EU is fantastic with free movement of labour, one single currency...it just doesn't work.
Whether it's the migrant crisis, one country fucking it up for all (Greece) it just simply doesn't work in practice.
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My first post on this one so excuse me If I've missed similar points. The UK has a large trade deficit with the EU i.e. we bring in more than we ship out. Latest figures for the month show that we are £8.1bn apart. Coming out of the EU means a renegotiation of a trade deal when the UK clearly relies more on EU imports that it does exports. If tariffs came in to play then the best we could hope for is the same percentage on both directions - no way the EU would let us charge them for imports without a equal measure the other way, (especially when they currently get our exports without penalty). This would mean the UK paying MORE for it's imports than it would receive in tariffs for it's exports.
 
jimbopm said:
My first post on this one so excuse me If I've missed similar points. The UK has a large trade deficit with the EU i.e. we bring in more than we ship out. Latest figures for the month show that we are £8.1bn apart. Coming out of the EU means a renegotiation of a trade deal when the UK clearly relies more on EU imports that it does exports. If tariffs came in to play then the best we could hope for is the same percentage on both directions - no way the EU would let us charge them for imports without a equal measure the other way, (especially when they currently get our exports without penalty). This would mean the UK paying MORE for it's imports than it would receive in tariffs for it's exports.
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You can spin your point around and say that the EU relies on money from the UK for its exports more than the UK relies on money from the EU for its exports.

Would the EU charge a hard bargain if an independent UK decided to buy its stuff from elsewhere? If VWs and Fiats become more expensive than Hondas and Fords, people are going to switch to the latter.

A lot is made of the trade point, but I can't see it going bonkers in the event of leaving.
 
The reality works the other way around, the world open market price for goods is LESS than that from the EU, if they want to continue trading with one of if not their biggest single customer, then it is them that will be looking for the trade deals an us in the driving seat.

Nor would it be a good idea to get into a trade war with us, the bad feeling would certainly tip people into buying elsewhere, while I doubt the likes of Mercedes/BMW want a tariff war that puts a jag/range rover at a price advantage
 
blueonblue said:
The reality works the other way around, the world open market price for goods is LESS than that from the EU, if they want to continue trading with one of if not their biggest single customer, then it is them that will be looking for the trade deals an us in the driving seat.

Nor would it be a good idea to get into a trade war with us, the bad feeling would certainly tip people into buying elsewhere, while I doubt the likes of Mercedes/BMW want a tariff war that puts a jag/range rover at a price advantage
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I'm not seeing how we would be ever be in the drivers seat in a renegotiation to be honest. We currently trade with the EU under the most favourable terms possible (free). I don't see any scenario where us leaving would allow us to get a better deal, the best we could hope for would be a similar deal, but the EU would definitely want to impose some kind of condition.

It's all very well and good saying that because we buy so much off them the EU would have to bend over backwards or we would go elsewhere for our goods but wouldn't we already go elsewhere if those goods were more cheaply available?
 
jimbopm said:
I'm not seeing how we would be ever be in the drivers seat in a renegotiation to be honest. We currently trade with the EU under the most favourable terms possible (free). I don't see any scenario where us leaving would allow us to get a better deal, the best we could hope for would be a similar deal, but the EU would definitely want to impose some kind of condition.

It's all very well and good saying that because we buy so much off them the EU would have to bend over backwards or we would go elsewhere for our goods but wouldn't we already go elsewhere if those goods were more cheaply available?
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The EU also trade with us under the most favourable terms. Using that logic, can you see a scenario where us leaving allows the EU a better deal?

We can't go elsewhere for goods because being in the EU makes trade outside the EU very difficult due to their legislation.

I don't think we'll negotiate a free trade agreement upon leaving, but I don't think we'll agree on a trade agreement that would cause all trade to come to a standstill. It might be a little more expensive, but we'll be making large savings on the fees we pay to the EU.
 
CityStu said:
The EU also trade with us under the most favourable terms. Using that logic, can you see a scenario where us leaving allows the EU a better deal?

We can't go elsewhere for goods because being in the EU makes trade outside the EU very difficult due to their legislation.

I don't think we'll negotiate a free trade agreement upon leaving, but I don't think we'll agree on a trade agreement that would cause all trade to come to a standstill. It might be a little more expensive, but we'll be making large savings on the fees we pay to the EU.
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The EU will not negotiate any trade agreement until after the 2nd referendum.
 
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