EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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BigJoe#1 said:
That's one version of the story, in fact it's the one I prefer to believe..... That said this Tory government is a totally different kettle of fish, untrustworthy lying shits and that should come as no suprise to anyone so them along with the unaccountable unelected commissioners for Europe and their wasteful spending really don't put us into a great position do they?
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He supported Blair when he became leader, and spoke and played at numerous Labour candidates' campaigns in 2001 and 2005 "to keep the tories out". He's always supported Labour, just as Corbyn has.
 
YPhrunts said:
It seems the polls alter if they are taken on telephone contacts or online contacts so it is illuminating to see the results of a poll where the audience is in eyeball contact and is not being manipulated by David Dimbleby using the BBC propaganda machine. Or the BBC giving more air time to one side.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/live-from-the-london-palladium-the-spectators-brexit-debate/
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As anyone will tell you with any polling experience the one kind of information that is utterly unreliable is self selected.
 
YPhrunts said:
It seems the polls alter if they are taken on telephone contacts or online contacts so it is illuminating to see the results of a poll where the audience is in eyeball contact and is not being manipulated by David Dimbleby using the BBC propaganda machine. Or the BBC giving more air time to one side.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/live-from-the-london-palladium-the-spectators-brexit-debate/
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Polls like the one above are deeply flawed since they are polling only people who are interested enough to go out to a debate. This makes the sample grossly unrepresentative of most voters, some of whom wouldn't know who the current prime minister is and can only just manage to put an X in a box.
 
We picked up Mrs P's mother last night at the airport and when talking about the referendum she said that in the Czech republic the media are saying that the vast majority of us want to remain in the EU

Make of that what you will
 
hgblue said:
Daniel Hannan's speech is absolutely bang on the money.
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Magnificent as well as factual and no doubt, that will be the last any of us are allowed to hear from him before the vote.........................
 
Chippy_boy said:
Polls like the one above are deeply flawed since they are polling only people who are interested enough to go out to a debate. This makes the sample grossly unrepresentative of most voters, some of whom wouldn't know who the current prime minister is and can only just manage to put an X in a box.
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That's an interesting interpretation. So what you are saying is that the remain camp are not really that bothered and can't be arsed to go out and listen to their speakers? But yes I'm in general agreement with you that a lot of voters don't have the wherewithal to deal with all the information. I'm struggling myself but I'm hanging my hat on less than half a dozen issues.

Somebody said to me recently that you can make your decision on whether you see yourself as an employee and like to be ordered around and told what you have to do i.e. be nannied. Or see yourself as an employer and want the freedom to make your own decisions or to apply a bit of initiative and plough your own furrow.
It's a simplification I know but it boils down to whether you are a risk taker or like to be molly coddled and feel secure in your subservience. Oddly enough the farmers have surprised me by going against the recommendation of their union and are reported to support Brexit by about 58%. Now there is a group that have had the molly coddling for 47 years and are fed up with it. They want to take risks and use their initiative which they cannot do under the EU yoke. That has surprised me more than anything else.
 
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stonerblue said:
Is that the 'bbc propaganda machine' you mentioned 3 posts ago?
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Have you not been watching Evan Davis and the Newsnight presentation of the issues?
Disgraceful one sided view being pushed far too regularly. Hardly any criticism of Obama allowed either.
 
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