Players season ratings

Because of the results they show up ?

Exactly.

@OB1 answer me as honestly as you can, do you think it's accurate to score DeBruyne 9.37 out of 10 for his performance on Sunday? Close to the perfect game? Close to the best game ever played by a footballer in the history of the sport? Personally I think 9.37 out of 10 might be stretching it, just a tad.

The algorithm could be created by a think tank of Ferguson, Guardiola, Lippi and Sacchi, but it still wouldn't make it an accurate way of judging a player. Statistics can not tell you whether a player made the intelligent pass. Whether they made the intelligent run. Whether they read the play and closed down the space in the right way.

Statistics in Amercian sports are extremely useful. Those sports are based on "plays" - 5 seconds of action that are usually dictated exactly by the coach's instructions. Football is completely different, it's a fluid game with comparatively fewer stoppages. It relies a lot more on player's intelligence and intuition than it does following out a manager's instruction second to second.

Rebounds, assists, yards gained, RBI's, base hits etc are an essential tool for judging a player. The stat we have in football that is of equivalent relevance is goals. The average amount of goals a footballer scores is usually a pretty accurate stat to evaluate whether they are likely to score more goals in the future.

Other stats are relevant in certain circumstances, assists, clean sheets, yards covered etc, but they only tell you a very small part of the story. It's harder to get assists if Cameron Jerome is your centre forward. It's harder to keep a clean sheet if Roberto Martinez is your manager. It's harder to cover yards if your manager has told you to sit in front of the back 4 and not move.

There is no "right way" to play football. There is no "perfect player". The cliche that it is a game of opinions is absolutely true. Sam Alladyce may look at Robert Huth and say he's a brilliant, physical, no nonsense defender. Pep Guardiola may look at him and say he's clumsy and makes bad decisions with the ball. The stats couldn't tell them that though. There will never be a stat for football intelligence, and that's the most important aspect of a footballer's make up to many manager's.

Even if the brain's trust above got together to try to create an "intelligence stat" it would be impossible. Sacchi might say the intelligent ball for Huth to play is a square ball to the right back, keep possession. Ferguson might say the intelligent ball is in to the channel for the winger to run on to. Guardiola might say it's in to the centre midfielder's feet. There will never be a consensus about what the correct decision is in every circumstance, so it's impossible to put a statistic on it.

I'll finish by quoting Ade Cooper - the chief scout of Sunderland. Bearing in mind Sam Alladyce is the manager in the league who places the most relevance on statistics:

"This will change the way we look at games,’ he said. ‘Everything we’ve been told is important - passing statistics, possession statistics, squad rotation, they’re proving it all wrong."

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messi scored just 9 goals in his first season at barca.
ronaldo scored 9 goals as well in his first season at barca. all at age 19.
at age 19 and in his first season nacho has has scored 13 goals for us and mostly from the bench. what else do we want from this young lad dat costs us absolute nothing..each time he plays,the expectation is high and we want him to play like some 100 million pound player. for fuks sake this guy is stil in the development stage of his career and any undue pressure might ruin him.
obviously there are flaws in his game but, with REGULAR playing time and proper GUIDANCE he will become THE FINISHED ARTICLE
i'll rate him a 10/10. he can only get better

To be exact:
Kelechi Iheanacho 2015/2016 (18/19 yo) 13 goals, 5 assists, 1126 minutes
Lionel Messi 2005/2006 (18 yo) 8 goals, 6 assists, 1405 minutes
Lionel Messi 2006/2007 (19 yo) 17 goals, 4 assists, 2754 minutes
Cristiano Ronaldo 2003/2004 (17/18 yo) 6 goals, 7 assists, 2269 minutes
Cristiano Ronaldo 2004/2005 (18/19 yo) 9 goals, 6 assists, 3709 minutes

I would underline the huge difference in playing time. And Iheanacho still has one game to better his stats.

Maybe not a 10, but definitely a 9.

I however truely dislike the Aguero / Iheanacho combo. It seems detrimental as Aguero plays more selfishly than usual as if threatened by Iheanacho. Also none of them is a traget man.
 
Don't know if anyone else has copied these in as I have note read every page but these are the ratings from whoscored.com and show some interesting divergence from the what people see. I would rank things differently based on my observations but I think these give a fairer indication of actual contribution than most of the contributions that I have bothered to read.

WhoScored.com Ratings are based on a unique, comprehensive statistical algorithm, calculated live during the game. There are over 200 raw statistics included in the calculation of a player'’s/team’'s rating, weighted according to their influence within the game. Every event of importance is taken into account, with a positive or negative effect on ratings weighted in relation to its area on the pitch and its outcome.

Nicolás Otamendi 7.50

Kevin De Bruyne 7.45

Sergio Agüero 7.40

Vincent Kompany 7.28

David Silva 7.28

Gaël Clichy 7.26

Yaya Touré 7.26

Fernandinho 7.18

Aleksandar Kolarov 7.14

Bacary Sagna 7.13

Pablo Zabaleta 6.97

Fernando 6.95

Eliaquim Mangala 6.91

Jesús Navas 6.87

Raheem Sterling 6.78

Willy Caballero 6.76

Fabian Delph 6.75

Joe Hart 6.73

Samir Nasri 6.72

Martín Demichelis 6.64

Wilfried Bony 6.62

Kelechi Iheanacho6.53

The problem with the Whoscored rating is that it gives a game where a player played 1 minute an equal weight as a game where the player played 90 minutes. A player with a large amount of sub appearances, like Iheanacho, will obviously have low stats, because his sub appearances will pull him down (all of them weighted 6 or around that).
 
These ratings are always hard to give. A lot of players have let themselves down this season. While few were hit and miss.

Hart: Never let us down this season has pulled off some brilliant saves in Champions League and league games future club captain for me 8
Willy : Few games few mistakes but redeemed himself in the League Cup final 6
Sagna : Our best fullback got up and down the pitch regularly still needs replacing in the long term 7
Zaba : Was 1 of the best fullbacks in the league for years his powers seem to be gone now he will always be a club legend poor season by his high standards 5
Clichy: Hit and miss started slowly but since winning his place in the starting line up has been solid 6
Kolarov : Shows he can add so much going forward but has been poor this year not been his best 4.5
MDM : When he played looked the man that just stole a living. Done us a short term job but sadly 1 season too much 3.5
Mangala : Jury is still out for me with him see signs of him being a good defender but prone to make the odd fuck up still should be in squad next year 5.5
Ottamendi : Expensive flop. He has been poor this season. Thought he would of been the best defender but the price tag and new league has taken its toll. Can come good shows signs he has it to be a good defender next season is huge for him 5.5
Kompany: When he plays he has been great all season sadly injuries ruined this 1 for him apart from that he be our best defender more games 6.5
Nasri : Injured way too much but when played contributed a fair bit 4
Navas : ever present and is keeping out Sterling and others lacks a end product but a good season for him 6
Sterling : The price tag is too much for him to handle he will learn more showed some good good bright sparks but injuries and not MP flavour a poor ending. Expected more. 5.5
KDB : The only signing that delivered. Can be unplayable but needs to grab the big games by the scruff more a great season barring injury Player of the year 8.5
Silva : Poor by his high high high standards too many niggles has him out of sorts still capable of a bit of magic 6.5
Yaya : Finished a great servant for the club scored important goals this season let himself down no workrate 4
Delph : Injuries and played out of position lacks the standard needed 4
Fernando : Poor start and a solid finish from him works hard 6
Fernandhino: Average can be brilliant and can be iffy gets the odd goal here and there Solid 6.5
Bony : Lacks the confidence and has been poor this season 3.5
Iheanacho: Looks like a real bright spark can be pleased with his season scored goals and looks good on the ball 6.5
Kun : without him we be fucked goalscoring machine not as prolific as seasons before in the big games needs to show more. 8
 
These ratings are always hard to give. A lot of players have let themselves down this season. While few were hit and miss.

Hart: Never let us down this season has pulled off some brilliant saves in Champions League and league games future club captain for me 8
Willy : Few games few mistakes but redeemed himself in the League Cup final 6
Sagna : Our best fullback got up and down the pitch regularly still needs replacing in the long term 7
Zaba : Was 1 of the best fullbacks in the league for years his powers seem to be gone now he will always be a club legend poor season by his high standards 5
Clichy: Hit and miss started slowly but since winning his place in the starting line up has been solid 6
Kolarov : Shows he can add so much going forward but has been poor this year not been his best 5.5
MDM : When he played looked the man that just stole a living. Done us a short term job but sadly 1 season too much 3.5
Mangala : Jury is still out for me with him see signs of him being a good defender but prone to make the odd fuck up still should be in squad next year 5.5
Ottamendi : Expensive flop. He has been poor this season. Thought he would of been the best defender but the price tag and new league has taken its toll. Can come good shows signs he has it to be a good defender next season is huge for him 5.5
Kompany: When he plays he has been great all season sadly injuries ruined this 1 for him apart from that he be our best defender more games 6.5
Nasri : Injured way too much but when played contributed a fair bit 4
Navas : ever present and is keeping out Sterling and others lacks a end product but a good season for him 6
Sterling : The price tag is too much for him to handle he will learn more showed some good good bright sparks but injuries and not MP flavour a poor ending. Expected more. 5.5
KDB : The only signing that delivered. Can be unplayable but needs to grab the big games by the scruff more a great season barring injury Player of the year 8.5
Silva : Poor by his high high high standards too many niggles has him out of sorts still capable of a bit of magic 6.5
Yaya : Finished a great servant for the club scored important goals this season let himself down no workrate 4
Delph : Injuries and played out of position lacks the standard needed 4
Fernando : Poor start and a solid finish from him works hard 6
Fernandhino: Average can be brilliant and can be iffy gets the odd goal here and there Solid 6.5
Bony : Lacks the confidence and has been poor this season 3.5
Iheanacho: Looks like a real bright spark can be pleased with his season scored goals and looks good on the ball 6.5
Kun : without him we be fucked goalscoring machine not as prolific as seasons before in the big games needs to show more. 8

Your Kolarov rating undermines the rest
 
Exactly.

@OB1 answer me as honestly as you can, do you think it's accurate to score DeBruyne 9.37 out of 10 for his performance on Sunday? Close to the perfect game? Close to the best game ever played by a footballer in the history of the sport? Personally I think 9.37 out of 10 might be stretching it, just a tad.

The algorithm could be created by a think tank of Ferguson, Guardiola, Lippi and Sacchi, but it still wouldn't make it an accurate way of judging a player. Statistics can not tell you whether a player made the intelligent pass. Whether they made the intelligent run. Whether they read the play and closed down the space in the right way.

Statistics in Amercian sports are extremely useful. Those sports are based on "plays" - 5 seconds of action that are usually dictated exactly by the coach's instructions. Football is completely different, it's a fluid game with comparatively fewer stoppages. It relies a lot more on player's intelligence and intuition than it does following out a manager's instruction second to second.

Rebounds, assists, yards gained, RBI's, base hits etc are an essential tool for judging a player. The stat we have in football that is of equivalent relevance is goals. The average amount of goals a footballer scores is usually a pretty accurate stat to evaluate whether they are likely to score more goals in the future.

Other stats are relevant in certain circumstances, assists, clean sheets, yards covered etc, but they only tell you a very small part of the story. It's harder to get assists if Cameron Jerome is your centre forward. It's harder to keep a clean sheet if Roberto Martinez is your manager. It's harder to cover yards if your manager has told you to sit in front of the back 4 and not move.

There is no "right way" to play football. There is no "perfect player". The cliche that it is a game of opinions is absolutely true. Sam Alladyce may look at Robert Huth and say he's a brilliant, physical, no nonsense defender. Pep Guardiola may look at him and say he's clumsy and makes bad decisions with the ball. The stats couldn't tell them that though. There will never be a stat for football intelligence, and that's the most important aspect of a footballer's make up to many manager's.

Even if the brain's trust above got together to try to create an "intelligence stat" it would be impossible. Sacchi might say the intelligent ball for Huth to play is a square ball to the right back, keep possession. Ferguson might say the intelligent ball is in to the channel for the winger to run on to. Guardiola might say it's in to the centre midfielder's feet. There will never be a consensus about what the correct decision is in every circumstance, so it's impossible to put a statistic on it.

I'll finish by quoting Ade Cooper - the chief scout of Sunderland. Bearing in mind Sam Alladyce is the manager in the league who places the most relevance on statistics:

"This will change the way we look at games,’ he said. ‘Everything we’ve been told is important - passing statistics, possession statistics, squad rotation, they’re proving it all wrong."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...r-champion-Claudio-Ranieri.html#ixzz48LclG2dU
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There are at least 100 incremental points between 9 and 10. In any case 10 out of 10 is a ceiling score and not indicative of the best ever game in the history of world. A bit like ice skating or something similar where 10 out of 10 is not unusual :) 10 out of 10 scores are still very rare - Aguero would have got 10/10 for his 5 against Newcastle. If he had scored 9 goals he still would have got 10/10 - so a ceiling.

I don't think anyone will dispute a lot of what you say in your post ( I don't) but even then the algorithm works to an extent. 7 of the top 8 "stats" players in 14/15 were from the top 3 of Chelsea, City and Arsenal - Hazard, Sanchez, Aguero, Fabregas, Cazorlz, Silva, Ozil. This year more of the same - Mahrez, Vardy, Kante, Payet, Kane etc are all in the top 10.

Back to KDB, his stat score in the Real Madrid game was, I think,the 2nd lowest in the City team. That is no surprise to me or you because he was awful.

The Arsenal game was completely different. He was the "stat" MOTM comfortably. Maybe you haven't had the benefit of watching the game back and seen how really effective he was? I say this because I form perceptions at the game and sometimes they might change when I watch the recording. Alternatively, maybe you just take somewhat of an extreme position (releative to most on here) with KDB and take pleasure in discrediting him as evidenced in the KDB thread when you were posting erroneous stats as "evidence" to substantiate your arguments.

Here is a flavour of how he perfomed against Arsenal relative to the 22 players + subs in a selection of categories:

Goal Attempts - 2nd
On Target - 1st
Goals - 1st equal
Key Passes - 1st
Dribbles - 4th
Dispossessed - 1st equal
Attempted tackles - 2nd (behind Ramsey)
Successful Tackles - 3rd (behind Ramsey and Otta)
Crosses - 1st
Accurate Crosses - 1st
Nbr of passes - 10th
 
I think the main reason De Bruynes been inconsistent as people have said is because he is always played out on the left when he isn't really a winger, he's more of a playmaker through the middle either due to injuries or other players being in bad form, plus he did just come back from a nasty injury not long ago so be fair to him, Fernandinho is good has done well especially when compared to other players in his position but I wouldn't put him as player of the season as he tries hard but I don't always see him as the most technically gifted, a bit like Milner who wasn't either, it's hard to draw a player of the season from this season I know but I'd say Aguero more than anyone just because of the important goals he scores and his goal game ratio is always top notch, never lets us down.
 
There are at least 100 incremental points between 9 and 10. In any case 10 out of 10 is a ceiling score and not indicative of the best ever game in the history of world. A bit like ice skating or something similar where 10 out of 10 is not unusual :) 10 out of 10 scores are still very rare - Aguero would have got 10/10 for his 5 against Newcastle. If he had scored 9 goals he still would have got 10/10 - so a ceiling.

I don't think anyone will dispute a lot of what you say in your post ( I don't) but even then the algorithm works to an extent. 7 of the top 8 "stats" players in 14/15 were from the top 3 of Chelsea, City and Arsenal - Hazard, Sanchez, Aguero, Fabregas, Cazorlz, Silva, Ozil. This year more of the same - Mahrez, Vardy, Kante, Payet, Kane etc are all in the top 10.

Back to KDB, his stat score in the Real Madrid game was, I think,the 2nd lowest in the City team. That is no surprise to me or you because he was awful.

The Arsenal game was completely different. He was the "stat" MOTM comfortably. Maybe you haven't had the benefit of watching the game back and seen how really effective he was? I say this because I form perceptions at the game and sometimes they might change when I watch the recording. Alternatively, maybe you just take somewhat of an extreme position (releative to most on here) with KDB and take pleasure in discrediting him as evidenced in the KDB thread when you were posting erroneous stats as "evidence" to substantiate your arguments.

Here is a flavour of how he perfomed against Arsenal relative to the 22 players + subs in a selection of categories:

Goal Attempts - 2nd
On Target - 1st
Goals - 1st equal
Key Passes - 1st
Dribbles - 4th
Dispossessed - 1st equal
Attempted tackles - 2nd (behind Ramsey)
Successful Tackles - 3rd (behind Ramsey and Otta)
Crosses - 1st
Accurate Crosses - 1st
Nbr of passes - 10th

That's where stats are very useful, to show how many times a player does something. Also useful to show how far a player has run & what speed etc.

Other than that, no use at all. No info given there for the number of times DeBruyne went missing from his job. No detail on the real quality of anything, only the statistical value.

He technically got some 'tackles' in. So he gets a stat for it. How difficult were they ? Should he have got a lot more in ? Etc etc etc.

Stats are a guide to help judge a performance, nothing more. The main judgement depends on the difficulty involved & the nature of the job required.
 
There are at least 100 incremental points between 9 and 10. In any case 10 out of 10 is a ceiling score and not indicative of the best ever game in the history of world. A bit like ice skating or something similar where 10 out of 10 is not unusual :) 10 out of 10 scores are still very rare - Aguero would have got 10/10 for his 5 against Newcastle. If he had scored 9 goals he still would have got 10/10 - so a ceiling.

I don't think anyone will dispute a lot of what you say in your post ( I don't) but even then the algorithm works to an extent. 7 of the top 8 "stats" players in 14/15 were from the top 3 of Chelsea, City and Arsenal - Hazard, Sanchez, Aguero, Fabregas, Cazorlz, Silva, Ozil. This year more of the same - Mahrez, Vardy, Kante, Payet, Kane etc are all in the top 10.

Back to KDB, his stat score in the Real Madrid game was, I think,the 2nd lowest in the City team. That is no surprise to me or you because he was awful.

The Arsenal game was completely different. He was the "stat" MOTM comfortably. Maybe you haven't had the benefit of watching the game back and seen how really effective he was? I say this because I form perceptions at the game and sometimes they might change when I watch the recording. Alternatively, maybe you just take somewhat of an extreme position (releative to most on here) with KDB and take pleasure in discrediting him as evidenced in the KDB thread when you were posting erroneous stats as "evidence" to substantiate your arguments.

Here is a flavour of how he perfomed against Arsenal relative to the 22 players + subs in a selection of categories:

Goal Attempts - 2nd
On Target - 1st
Goals - 1st equal
Key Passes - 1st
Dribbles - 4th
Dispossessed - 1st equal
Attempted tackles - 2nd (behind Ramsey)
Successful Tackles - 3rd (behind Ramsey and Otta)
Crosses - 1st
Accurate Crosses - 1st
Nbr of passes - 10th

Mate are you a mathematician? Seriously, I'm not having a go, but you seem completely blinded by statistics to the point of obsession and I think it's clouding your ability to judge a football match by watching it with your own eyes.

The DeBruyne thread is a good example of what I'm talking about. As opposed to discussing the point that our best form came in our first 5 games, you obsessed over the fact that DeBruyne played 70 minutes in one of those games as if it somehow made my point completely irrelevant and flawed. This isn't a mathematical paper where one wrong statistic will mean you fail your exam, we're just chatting about football.

DeBruyne did play for those 70 minutes, I admitted I got that wrong and held my hands up. But my point remains that our best form this season came at the start of the season before DeBruyne had signed. You think the fact I missed out on those 70 minutes completely invalidates my argument. If it was a statistical analysis paper I could totally understand why I'd get marked down, but again, I don't mean to sound mean, but you come across like Sheldon off The Big Bang Theory when you obsess over a small mistake on statistics. Look at the wider point, not just the minute detail.

Again your point about the "100 incremental points between 9 and 10" you're turning this in to an academic paper, it's the wrong forum (pun intended) for that. Essentially DeBruyne got scored at over 93% for his performance on Sunday by that algorithm. As you say, 100 is the maximum score. So in simple terms DeBruyne's performance was only 7% away from being the highest possible score he could achieve. There is not a football man on earth, not De Bruyne himself or his own mother that would argue that to be accurate. It's completely flawed.

The statistics or the algorithm is not an accurate representation of performance. It is simply an accurate representation of the data that has been mined.

It's like when you see these articles in the paper every few months about some researchers at MIT that have found the perfect algorithm for the funniest joke. The joke it produces usually isn't very funny. Because you see, some things can't be explained by mathematics. Humour, art, football, there is no algorithm to explain them. I know that's probably very difficulty to accept as mathematician, you learn that everything can be explained through numbers and data, but it can't. There is no algorithm for Michelangelo's architecture, Jimi Hendrix's guitar playing, Eddie Murphy's comedy timing, Jennifer Lopez's bum, David Silva's vision, why a babies laugh makes you smile, they're just all beautiful and you have to accept that beauty can't always be explained by maths or science.

Honestly, I couldn't give a fuck who was the "stat Man of the match". The "attempted tackles" stat as an example, it's completely irrelevant. If you look at the stats of which defenders attempted the most tackles, it's often no indication whatsoever of how good they are. Rio Ferdinand used to score terribly on "attempted tackles" because he didn't have to tackle players because he read the game so well that he'd intercept the ball before it even had chance to become a tackle. You'll then argue to me well look at the interceptions stat then. But that only tells you half the story too. If a player in possession sees his mate marked by Ferdinand, he'll think twice about giving him the ball because he knows how good he is, how he's already anticipating the pass.

The stats will only ever get you so far in football.
 
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As proved by Liverpool's moneyball stat attempt at combining Downing/Carroll not only not winning them the league, but making them a discernibly poorer team and losing them a ton of money.

There was a quote from Slurgie in the press the other day about statistics being absolute nonsense and he didn't pay any attention to them and he believes in scouting. If anyone comes across the article please post it in here.
 
I'll give it a go

GK-Hart-(8) Keeps us in games, makes the occasional mistake but his leadership and shot stopping ability more than make up for it. If Kompany goes this summer I'd like to see him be the new skipper.
Caballero-(6) Dreadful at times, but of course the league cup final was magnificent for Willy. Glad he will be remembered for the league cup performance rather than his other performances.

LB-Clichy-(6.5) Missed him early in the season, he was far more effective than kolarov. Should be part of the squad next season.
Kolarov-(3.5) Was ok at times the season, but was miserable most of the time. No desire, hopefully he gets sold asap.

CB-Kompany-(6) When he was playing, he did well enough. However, as much as it pains me to say it, his injuries are too much of a liability and I wouldn't be opposed to selling him this summer.
Otamendi-(6.5) Don't quite understand why so many people thought he was so poor this season. He made the occasional mistake, but at times dominated. Should be in the starting 11 for the next few seasons imo.
Mangala-(6) At times superb, at times lost. I love his desire, and still think he has a very bright future. I would be upset if he is sold so that someone like Stones could come in. Maybe he won't make it with pep, but he should at least be given a chance.
Demichelis-(3) Should have left last season. Not much else to say.

RB-Sagna-(6.5) Limited in attack, but he performed far better than I expected him to. I think his performance has earned him another season here.
Zabaleta-(5) Injuries ruined his season, and I don't think we'll ever see the old zabs ever again. Will be sad to see him go, but we should be open to any offers for him this summer.

MID-Yaya Toure-(5) Showed glimpses at times, but unfortunately he just sucked most of the time this season. Hopefully a Chinese club comes calling this summer.
Fernandinho-(8) My favorite player this season. Worked tirelessly all season long. Worried to see reports that pep doesn't like him, as any club would be lucky to have him.
Fernando-(6.5) Turned a bad season into a solid one with his performances in the past couple months. I thought for sure he would be gone this summer, but he may have earned another season at city.
Delph-(4.5) I think he could be ok if he wasn't always played out of position. Doesn't have the quality needed to make it here at city, but he's English so we'll probably keep him on for next season.
De Bruyne-(8.5) Has so much class. I am so excited to see what city can do if we have a healthy KDB all season long. Bright future for this one.
Nasri-(NR) Can't really assess his season, but he's worthy of a mention. Had the one superb game. Wouldn't be shocked to see him go, but I have a feeling he still has a couple good seasons in him if he can stay healthy.
Navas-(5) He is such a frustrating player. He does some things so well, but he just doesn't know how to kick a ball. Have a feeling pep will keep him, but if I were in charge I'd be desperately trying to sell him.
Sterling-(5.5) Showed glimpses, but he just stopped using his strengths, such as running at defenders. Have to assume he will continue to develop. I hope pep puts him on the right wing.
Silva-(5) Started the season out so well. He was probably the best player in the premier league for the first month. Then injuries ruined his season, and possibly his career. I would listen to offers for him this summer, but I would expect to see him here next season.

FWD-Aguero-(8) Scored a lot of goals again. Disappointing at times this season, but that may have been due to the failures of others around him (Navas). We are very fortunate to have him.
Bony-(3) Miserable.
Iheanacho-(6.5) Took his chances very well this season. Has such a bright future ahead of him. Get used to seeing him score goals in a city shirt, because there will be a lot of them over the next decade.
 
In numerical order, where the mark is the same, I've listed them in order of how I think they've performed, so Sterling is nearer a 4, and Navas nearer a 6, if that makes sense.

Nasri -
Zaba -
^----------not rated due to injury
Bony 2
Kolarov 2
Otamendi 4
Demichelis 4
Sterling 5
Silva 5
Delph 5
Yaya 5
Caballero 5
Navas 5
^----------average or less (and I won't shed any tears over any of these leaving, expect Silva, but he needs to up his game considerably)
Clichy 6
Mangala 6
Aguero 7
Kompany 7
Fernando 7
Kelechi 7
Hart 7
De Bruyne 7
Sagna 8
Fernandinho 8

That we don't have 11 better than 'average' says it all, and for instance while I've rated Aguero 7, I actually think he's been pretty disappointing by his standards, which is why he's listed as the lowest 7.
Don't agree with a 7 for Kompany. I know he has played well when fit but given the number of games he has missed this should be reflected in his rating. In the same way I think that a player like Navas needs to get some recognition for the amount of heavy lifting he has done even if the end product is usually missing so his 5 is possibly a tad harsh.
 
That's where stats are very useful, to show how many times a player does something. Also useful to show how far a player has run & what speed etc.

Other than that, no use at all. No info given there for the number of times DeBruyne went missing from his job. No detail on the real quality of anything, only the statistical value.

He technically got some 'tackles' in. So he gets a stat for it. How difficult were they ? Should he have got a lot more in ? Etc etc etc.

Stats are a guide to help judge a performance, nothing more. The main judgement depends on the difficulty involved & the nature of the job required.

I don't disagree with you Neville.

Yep, stats are just a historic record of events and facts - how often, how many, how much, how far etc etc - and can be useful as indicators but, as you infer, without context they mean jack shit.
Then there is the world of analytics which tries to interpret the stats to predict future performance. That's another world entirely.
 
Hart 7/10 Solid season from Hart as you'd expect, no bad patches of form so good season always reliable when called upon.

Willy 4/10 One great game against Liverpool, but every other time he has featured he has looked woeful.

zaba 4/10 Poor season from Zabas standards, looks like his age might be catching up with him, looks suspect when played.

sagna 7/10 Solid but unspectacular, does well defensively but doesn't offer much going forward, still good though.

demi 1/10 Season to forget, hasn't looked good when featured and should have kept Denayer instead.

otamendi 4/10 Has looked solid when beside Kompany, but when with Mangala or Demi he looks worse or as bad as the other, time will tell on this one.

mangala 2/10 Apart from maybe the odd game here and there looks really shaky and hasn't improved enough, should sell/loan out next year.

vinny 7/10 Can't argue with Kompanys performances when he's played, the stats say it all really, always better with him in the team than without.

clichy 6/10 Average year for Clichy, didn't feature much to begin with but has become better as the seasons gone on, better defender than Kolarov without a doubt.

Kolarov 2/10 Poor year from Kolarov really, has been missing his attacking/creative qualities that made him look so good in the past, and his defending has been woeful when played.

navas 1/10 Really bad year for Navas, how he has played so many games I will never know, doesn't even do anything! Doesn't have confidence, can't seem to score, poor end product, just keeps getting worse not better.

Fernando 6/10 Has improved in the last 6 months, began really slow always used to foul a lot when he first joined but has looked a lot more composed recently, can't attack for toffee mind but still he could prove to be a squad player under Guardiola, makes good tackles now and is aggressive but has gotten a lot better and sometimes you need a De Jong kind of CDM in the team.

Fernandinho 7/10 Solid year from Fernandinho, always reliable when called upon, has needed to step up when Yaya has been missing (which has been all too often this year especially) gives 100% every game.

yaya 2/10 Has played a lot more games than he should have done, doesn't look passionate to be wearing the City shirt anymore and doesn't do his amazing runs/long shots that we have all been used to in the previous seasons, either something is not right in his head, if he doesn't like Pellegrini or if he just doesn't want to play in this team, or if he is just past it, I don't know but he's really disappointing, lazy arsed player as well doesn't ever track better, struts around the pitch with that 'been there done that' attitude, occasionally plays a nice pass or shows glimpses of his past brilliance, what every 15 games? Well I don't know but he's useless now and has to be sold to clear up his undeserved wage and get someone who actually runs around at least!

nasri 5/10 Hard to judge, like Kompany really, I'll go first on the record and say I've never been a fan of Nasri ever since he joined us I've just thought he has underperformed a lot, but when he came in he actually offered something to the team, I was actually surprised that he was so much better than Sterling and Navas, alas it was short lived though and you have to question if someone this injury prone can stay, like Toure another high wage.

silva 4/10 One of Silvas seasons to forget, like Zaba his wage may just be catching up on him, and the emergence of KDB as that playmaker may even question his future here, problem with Silva is when he's playing well, even in the past he's been like this, you wouldn't have anyone else in the world, but he goes on runs of form where he'll just disappear without a trace, and he has done for most of this season just gone, wages again, could sign someone like an Isco to replace him.

sterling 3/10 It sure doesn't help when you're sitting there looking a HUGE 49 million transfer fee that we were foolishly made to pay by Liverpool, but still he has not been good, he looks like a player out of his comfort zone which I find strange for a home grown player as you'd think they'd just fit in straight away (De Bruyne has and he's from Belgium!!!!!!!) and he looks like a very limited player, pace is clearly the only thing he really excels at which is not enough for that price, he has no shot on him, dribbling average, touch a bit poor, and he's not really a creative player, I mean if this was another season I might have mistaken him for Navas, but I hope Pep comes in and helps him find some form and hopefully turns him into a different player, I guess time will tell, like Otamendi.

Delph 3/10 Average player, only really bought to strengthen up the english players quota, and you could argue that we should have kept Milner instead (nothing special but can play both wings, especially a lot better than I've seen Delph play wings) and again he's injury prone, which is worrying for a new player, I don't know what Pep will see in this guy, might just get rid of him.

kdb 9/10 Him and Aguero definitely the best players of our season, De Bruyne (and Aguero for that matter!) is the kind of player you could build a team around for years to come, technically one of the best players in the world you could argue, has such a good shot and even running with the ball looks deadly, only shame for me is obviously he got that bad injury against Everton in the league cup, and he has been played as a winger out of position on the left as Sterling has been useless, but still he has been amazing and none of that is his fault, if there's one thing to salvage from this season it will be him.

nacho 8/10 Great debut season from Nacho, how he has not played more times over Bony really baffles me, and his goal to games ratio is great, if he keeps improving the way he is, we could have a real player on our hands in about 5 years time like we do with Aguero now, really composed in front of goal as well for his age, and if Pep sees that he may choose to build a team around him, stranger things have happened.

aguero 9/10 Great season as ever from Aguero, only issue I have with the way City have played for the last 2 seasons now is that they seem to rely upon him because everyone else is so damn useless, but not his fault, we do need 1/2 more strikers like we used to have in Mancinis teams, but again like Nacho is goal to games ratio speaks for itself, and is always capable of the unexpected which is definitely a good thing.

bony 1/10 Useless, has not tried, looks like a bodybuilder, struts around the pitch like Yaya, if he does score he waits for someone to play it right on his foot (which is not the way city play thank you very much we are not Swansea City!) and even then he has just gotten worse, slow lazy player which is disappointing, makes you wonder why we sold Dzeko, Negredo, and even Jovetic just to replace them with this guy who is 10 times worse, I think he will go either permanently in the summer or out on loan somewhere,

Sorry for the lengthy opinions! Got a bit carried away with some of them as you might expect after the season we've just had!
Astonished that you give Navas only a score of 1. He lacks end product but his work rate alone deserves a score of 5 or 6. If we had more players putting in the effort he does we would be in a much stronger position.
 
Hart 6
Caballero 5
Zabaleta 5
Sagna 7
Kompany 4
Mangala 5
Otamendi 5
Demichelis 3
Kolarov 4
Clichy 6
Delph 4
Fernando 6
Fernandinho 8
Yaya Toure 6
Nasri 4
Navas 6
Sterling 5
De Bruyne 8
Silva 7
Aguero 8
Iheanacho 7
Bony 4
 
Mate are you a mathematician? Seriously, I'm not having a go, but you seem completely blinded by statistics to the point of obsession and I think it's clouding your ability to judge a football match by watching it with your own eyes.

The DeBruyne thread is a good example of what I'm talking about. As opposed to discussing the point that our best form came in our first 5 games, you obsessed over the fact that DeBruyne played 70 minutes in one of those games as if it somehow made my point completely irrelevant and flawed. This isn't a mathematical paper where one wrong statistic will mean you fail your exam, we're just chatting about football.

DeBruyne did play for those 70 minutes, I admitted I got that wrong and held my hands up. But my point remains that our best form this season came at the start of the season before DeBruyne had signed. You think the fact I missed out on those 70 minutes completely invalidates my argument. If it was a statistical analysis paper I could totally understand why I'd get marked down, but again, I don't mean to sound mean, but you come across like Sheldon off The Big Bang Theory when you obsess over a small mistake on statistics. Look at the wider point, not just the minute detail.

Again your point about the "100 incremental points between 9 and 10" you're turning this in to an academic paper, it's the wrong forum (pun intended) for that. Essentially DeBruyne got scored at over 93% for his performance on Sunday by that algorithm. As you say, 100 is the maximum score. So in simple terms DeBruyne's performance was only 7% away from being the highest possible score he could achieve. There is not a football man on earth, not De Bruyne himself or his own mother that would argue that to be accurate. It's completely flawed.

The statistics or the algorithm is not an accurate representation of performance. It is simply an accurate representation of the data that has been mined.

It's like when you see these articles in the paper every few months about some researchers at MIT that have found the perfect algorithm for the funniest joke. The joke it produces usually isn't very funny. Because you see, some things can't be explained by mathematics. Humour, art, football, there is no algorithm to explain them. I know that's probably very difficulty to accept as mathematician, you learn that everything can be explained through numbers and data, but it can't. There is no algorithm for Michelangelo's architecture, Jimi Hendrix's guitar playing, Eddie Murphy's comedy timing, Jennifer Lopez's bum, David Silva's vision, why a babies laugh makes you smile, they're just all beautiful and you have to accept that beauty can't always be explained by maths or science.

Honestly, I couldn't give a fuck who was the "stat Man of the match". The "attempted tackles" stat as an example, it's completely irrelevant. If you look at the stats of which defenders attempted the most tackles, it's often no indication whatsoever of how good they are. Rio Ferdinand used to score terribly on "attempted tackles" because he didn't have to tackle players because he read the game so well that he'd intercept the ball before it even had chance to become a tackle. You'll then argue to me well look at the interceptions stat then. But that only tells you half the story too. If a player in possession sees his mate marked by Ferdinand, he'll think twice about giving him the ball because he knows how good he is, how he's already anticipating the pass.

The stats will only ever get you so far in football.

My contribution in the KDB thread was minimal - 1 short post only if IIRC. Your response to my post (and other posters who picked up on the BS facts behind your opinion) bordered on War and Peace. A bit like now actually.
 

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