EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Pino said:
It must be noticed that the Chilcot enquiry results are to be made public on July 7th.
Again THEY take us for idiots.
The nasty revelations are released a month after the Brexit vote, so as not to cause citizens disquiet before the most important vote in Britain for centuries.
Also the Black art of Propaganda is in play,
July 6th is of course the anniversary of D-DAY. A large scale MSM demonstration of jingoism is to be expected to deflect ,distract, divert and dilute attention to the Chilcot findings.
Play the fife,beat the drum,wave the flag and the sleeple step into line to their destruction and impoverishment
It was ever thus, and makes one weep at the docile temperament of the population.
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D-Day was June 6th 1944, not July.
 
CityStu said:
It is impossible to reduce immigration to the levels the conservatives aimed for (tens of thousands) whilst remaining in the EU, because immigration from the EU alone exceeds that limit.
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Then they should have made a lot more noises to the EU about our 'migration crisis' or perhaps called the referendum a lot earlier

they apply the same principles to migration as Labour in my opinion.

If that's what all folk seem to care about then more people really should just vote for UKIP
 
BlueHammer85 said:
And how long have Conservative had to turn immigration policy's around ?

In or Out the EU - people will still moan about immigration
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There first term was a collision gov.as you will no with i cant give a straight answer clegg..
Only out will control any immigration...
 
hgblue said:
It's weird, some people seem to struggle to grasp this. It isn't about being anti-immigration, it's about being able to control the numbers to ease the strain on services and stop wage depression for our most vulnerable workers. Probably much easier to brand people racist or moaners than to address the issue.
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Exactly. In fact, not only that but controlled immigration goes on to allow countries to bring in people skilled in sectors that require investment and prevent people from entering who's skills are already well serviced by the existing population (builders in today's examples).

Ealing was saying earlier in the week that Australia's growth was nigh on unprecedented and pointed to its high rate of immigration as a plus. The difference is that they're bringing in people that they want to bring in.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Then they should have made a lot more noises to the EU about our 'migration crisis' or perhaps called the referendum a lot earlier

they apply the same principles to migration as Labour in my opinion.

If that's what all folk seem to care about then more people really should just vote for UKIP
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The government don't give a monkeys. Immigration that drives down wages makes services more affordable so more people can pay for them so the economy is boosted, which reflects very well on the government. The driving down in wages has a huge effect on the individuals affected though - people are losing work, having to change long held careers or turning to welfare to cope. This problem on a national or even constituency level is tiny, but on a personal level can be absolutely huge.

It might affect MPs if their home towns were becoming overcrowded, they were losing work, they were struggling to afford housing or their kids were in classes far larger than they should be. Fortunately for them, they have wages and expenses that allow them nice houses in nice areas, jobs that are safe for 5 years and they can send their kids to private schools.

Lots more people would vote for UKIP if they campaigned as strongly on the sovereignty of the UK as they do immigration.
 
CityStu said:
Exactly. In fact, not only that but controlled immigration goes on to allow countries to bring in people skilled in sectors that require investment and prevent people from entering who's skills are already well serviced by the existing population (builders in today's examples).

Ealing was saying earlier in the week that Australia's growth was nigh on unprecedented and pointed to its high rate of immigration as a plus. The difference is that they're bringing in people that they want to bring in.
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That is in part true just over 50% come on skill visas the rest are family visas , refugees and asylum seekers are then on top of this.

Immigration which is now mainly from South Asia and China has kep the population growing and allowed us to dig stuff up and grow stuff for Asia.

This is a country where 30%+ are foreign born and will be an Asian majority country this century. I live in an area where we'll over 50% are foreign born.
 
CityStu said:
The government don't give a monkeys. Immigration that drives down wages makes services more affordable so more people can pay for them so the economy is boosted, which reflects very well on the government. The driving down in wages has a huge effect on the individuals affected though - people are losing work, having to change long held careers or turning to welfare to cope. This problem on a national or even constituency level is tiny, but on a personal level can be absolutely huge.

It might affect MPs if their home towns were becoming overcrowded, they were losing work, they were struggling to afford housing or their kids were in classes far larger than they should be. Fortunately for them, they have wages and expenses that allow them nice houses in nice areas, jobs that are safe for 5 years and they can send their kids to private schools.

Lots more people would vote for UKIP if they campaigned as strongly on the sovereignty of the UK as they do immigration.
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Life's not that simple you can turn off the tap and be like Japan a country slowly sliding into bankruptcy and population decline. If you take away the economic growth and age the population all the problems on health , education and employment will still exist there just won't be anyone to blame
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Life's not that simple you can turn off the tap and be like Japan a country slowly sliding into bankruptcy and population decline. If you take away the economic growth and age the population all the problems on health , education and employment will still exist there just won't be anyone to blame
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I don't want to turn off the tap - I want to make sure we're getting hot water rather than the current mixture of a little bit of hot and a lot of cold. I think that lower numbers of the right migrants could be just as effective economically as the huge number of migrants we have now.

EalingBlue2 said:
That is in part true just over 50% come on skill visas the rest are family visas , refugees and asylum seekers are then on top of this.

Immigration which is now mainly from South Asia and China has kep the population growing and allowed us to dig stuff up and grow stuff for Asia.

This is a country where 30%+ are foreign born and will be an Asian majority country this century. I live in an area where we'll over 50% are foreign born.
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50% is way way more than the UK gets. I don't mind people being foreign born at all (I would like them to assimilate more to the UK's culture than they do now) but I don't want to bring in thousands of builders if that means that thousands of UK builders are then priced out of work. It's pointless.
 
CityStu said:
I don't want to turn off the tap - I want to make sure we're getting hot water rather than the current mixture of a little bit of hot and a lot of cold. I think that lower numbers of the right migrants could be just as effective economically as the huge number of migrants we have now.



50% is way way more than the UK gets. I don't mind people being foreign born at all (I would like them to assimilate more to the UK's culture than they do now) but I don't want to bring in thousands of builders if that means that thousands of UK builders are then priced out of work. It's pointless.
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We have the same problem here, I personally know some Portuguese trades people who have said they may join their compatriots who went a few years ago and leave for Switzerland/uk as they can't compete price wise with the Ukrainians here... There's a pattern developing here as everyone is getting squeezed out to the location that pays the most as they get pushed down by cheap labour
 
urmston said:
Is there any aspect our lives it doesn't want to meddle in?
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The short answer is no.

Fancy a nice menthol ciggy ?, well you cant f*ckin have one from next year, maybe you could just make do with ten normal fags ?, nope you aint getting them either, whats that you say?, f*ck em you will roll your own, only if you buy over 30g packets ( Bigger than the small & medium at the moment), thanks again EU
 
I think there's an illusion that all British youth will go to colleges and end up in high skill or white collar jobs. And therefore it's fine for people to come in from other EU countries to do the manual work.

But firstly, not every kids goes to college and not everyone wants to work in an office. For thousands of years people valued skilled manual work - it's foundamental. IMO a country needs to ensure it has places for kids to develop manual skills and have a good living from it.

And if the assumption is true for the Western EU countries that kids are primed for desk jobs and therefore you end up with a manual work skills gap...isn't it going to also be true for the Eastern EU countries at some point in the future (as they develop). Who'll do the work then? People from Africa?

Can't the EU just let each country manage it's own work force and just make it easy for visas to work so it's neither a closed shop nor a crazy race to the bottom.
 
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blueonblue said:
The short answer is no.

Fancy a nice menthol ciggy ?, well you cant f*ckin have one from next year, maybe you could just make do with ten normal fags ?, nope you aint getting them either, whats that you say?, f*ck em you will roll your own, only if you buy over 30g packets ( Bigger than the small & medium at the moment), thanks again EU
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No menthol. I only smoke a couple of times a year (my way of breaking the habit of 30 a day that's worked for 7 years). I can't take the normal ones. Aaaaaargh!!!
 
TonyM said:
This is ridiculous. They can't do anything to help people when it comes to banks because it interferes with competition then they enforce this trash to limit what we watch. They are out of control.
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The EU are probably trying to counter american influence by hollywood which I can understand. They can fuck off though. Why not just start a EU equivalent? That will then give the consumer the choice they deserve - or are they afraid no one will want to watch a load of toss, probably with bad dubbing and subtitles?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Agreed everyone should watch that documentary on the I player. A fascinating insight to the utter bollox and beuracracy of the Eu. The best being the the meps getting on the train to travel 4 hours to vote at the other parliament in Strasbourg because that's in the treaty!

Nick clegg interview alone is priceless . I used to like him.
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well that's one way of looking at it.
 
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