EU referendum

[jimbopm]

Got anything from the last five years? You know, the time period where there has been a huge shift in migration paterns!

How much of that is pensions?

Instead of picking pointless holes in things that don't support your argument, why don't you come up with the evidence to support your point of view?

 

[blueonblue]

Er, you did know that those studies were all done under the restrictions that were not lifted until 2011 didn`t you ?

Since Sunday 1st May 2011, nationals of Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – the so-called A8 countries which joined the EU in 2004 – are no longer restricted in their access to labour markets and state support systems across the European Union. In the UK context, this means that restrictions on access to work, housing rights and social benefits for A8 nationals have ceased to operate. They effectively now enjoy the same rights as other European Union nationals living in the UK.

Under the 2004 Accession Agreement, the 15 pre-existing EU member states were permitted to introduce transitional restrictions on A8 nationals, relating to their right to work and access state support on their territories. The UK was one of just three states to open its labour markets to A8 nationals in 2004. Other states were more cautious, maintaining tight restrictions on A8 workers for fear of labour market disruption for the first few years at least. By April 2011, Germany and Austria were the only EU countries to remain closed to A8 migrant workers.

 

[blueonblue]

You can find all sorts of statistics to support one side or other, but they are by nature bias as to who prepared them, common sense will tell you that if you flood a market it effects prices of supply and demand.
Where there are more workers than jobs the wage rates go down, where there are more people than houses rents/ prices go up, where services are already struggling to cope dumping large amounts of new people will have a negative effect.


Those are cold hard facts, it can never work any other way

 

[BlueHammer85]

I've a question for any of the 'inners' on here.

Why do you want to be IN but only half heartedly, Why not accept the Euro and go in completely?

It seems to me that none of you want that but i'm certain that if the IN vote win this will be forced on us eventually.

wouldn't bother me

In fact, would make it easier as i travel alot. Its only a form of currency, i dont see the big deal.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

wouldn't bother me

In fact, would make it easier as i travel alot. Its only a form of currency, i dont see the big deal.

But it's not just a form of currency - it's a mechanism that demands fiscal and political union to a certain degree, every aspect of your life will be determined by Brussels and the ecb as the Bank of England will just have one representative at the ecb table.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Er, you did know that those studies were all done under the restrictions that were not lifted until 2011 didn`t you ?

Since Sunday 1st May 2011, nationals of Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – the so-called A8 countries which joined the EU in 2004 – are no longer restricted in their access to labour markets and state support systems across the European Union. In the UK context, this means that restrictions on access to work, housing rights and social benefits for A8 nationals have ceased to operate. They effectively now enjoy the same rights as other European Union nationals living in the UK.

Under the 2004 Accession Agreement, the 15 pre-existing EU member states were permitted to introduce transitional restrictions on A8 nationals, relating to their right to work and access state support on their territories. The UK was one of just three states to open its labour markets to A8 nationals in 2004. Other states were more cautious, maintaining tight restrictions on A8 workers for fear of labour market disruption for the first few years at least. By April 2011, Germany and Austria were the only EU countries to remain closed to A8 migrant workers.

The last paragraph fully supports that the EU imposes nothing on anyone. As is the case with almost everything, all countries have the right to veto, something the UK does often.
So this scaremongering that Europe does this, that or the other can finally be put to bed as a myth.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Just been having a peep on rag caf at their EU thread and the results at the mo are almost the opposite of the poll here. They are around 70/30 in favour of staying in. Obviously quite a few of the thick twats will think they are voting to stay in the CL, but that aside I wonder what it says about the location of their fanbase? Someone posted a UK map earlier in this thread which showed the NW being anti EU compared to London/South iirc.

 

[blueinsa]

Just been having a peep on rag caf at their EU thread and the results at the mo are almost the opposite of the poll here. They are around 70/30 in favour of staying in. Obviously quite a few of the thick twats will think they are voting to stay in the CL, but that aside I wonder what it says about the location of their fanbase? Someone posted a UK map earlier in this thread which showed the NW being anti EU compared to London/South iirc.

Only because the vast majority of them are in Belgium, Germany, France........

They also probably think its a new UEFA competition ;-)

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Instead of picking pointless holes in things that don't support your argument, why don't you come up with the evidence to support your point of view?

I'm not picking holes, I'm asking for more information. Given how out of date the info you posted is.

 

[blueonblue]

The last paragraph fully supports that the EU imposes nothing on anyone. As is the case with almost everything, all countries have the right to veto, something the UK does often.
So this scaremongering that Europe does this, that or the other can finally be put to bed as a myth.

Did I somehow misunderstand the definition of the words "Permit" or "Transitional" ?, have we been led down the path by all these claims that the EU demands "Free movement of people" as a basic component of membership and all we need to do is tell them we veto that ?, please do enlighten us.