EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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We can debate this all we like but I think all of us know the result we're given will be we're staying in. Most people can't think for themselves so will just vote in favour of the most prominent people (e.g. Cameron, Obama) thanks to celebrity culture. Obviously the vast majority of business owners and probably their families will vote in as well.

Even if the votes do swing to OUT, they'll rig it and tell us we're staying in. People with the actual power get what they want.

Does anyone actually have any confidence the result will be OUT?
 
blueonblue said:
Just where do I tell anyone the poster was messing about ?, does it not read like a f*cking wind up.
Who the f*ck are you to tell me to condemn anyone for whatever views they choose to hold ?, it was my decision to treat it as a wind up to draw idiots like you out on your high horse, but out you pop telling people how to think..FASCIST.

Then you launch into branding him a stereotype while complaining about the very same thing.

Do correct me if I am wrong, but the Anti Fascist League/United against Fascism are hardly full of Tories are they ?, with their sole stated aim of preventing free speach often by violent means, the very definition of Fascism.

Small rise ?, talk about ignoring facts.
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I'd ignore him if I were you.
 
CitizenTID said:
We can debate this all we like but I think all of us know the result we're given will be we're staying in. Most people can't think for themselves...

Does anyone actually have any confidence the result will be OUT?
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Not this time round. The youngsters don't value democracy in the same way as us old 'uns it would appear. No principles anymore, just self interest. I despair that our eduction system has lead to this. We are not strong enough mentally to resist the barrage of lies and propaganda inflicted on us. Cameron has been more two faced than any other politician I can remember yet he still holds some credibility, it's mind boggling.

I see other European countries bringing the EU down before us but in the event that doesn't happen then the rise of UKIP in the next general election will probably force the issue to the fore again and give us another go. In the meantime if Brussels try to wangle us into the Euro then that could be the trigger that brings it all to an end. One thing is for certain Brexit 'aint going away after June 23.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
The Treasury ... ''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
Bank Of England ... ''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
IMF ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
US Goverment ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
IFFS ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''

Hands in ears 'LaLaLa'
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And you trust these institutions that have "skin" in the game. Fair enough, I'd probably trust them more if Osborne and Cameron weren't their mouthpiece, that said, they and I don't.

It is becoming embarrassing about how shit we are and how we are totally useless without the saviour that is the EU. There are good and bad points for staying, there are positives and negatives... we can each make our choices but I wish there was less scaremongering on both sides!
 
YPhrunts said:
Not this time round. The youngsters don't value democracy in the same way as us old 'uns it would appear. No principles anymore, just self interest. I despair that our eduction system has lead to this. We are not strong enough mentally to resist the barrage of lies and propaganda inflicted on us. Cameron has been more two faced than any other politician I can remember yet he still holds some credibility, it's mind boggling.

I see other European countries bringing the EU down before us but in the event that doesn't happen then the rise of UKIP in the next general election will probably force the issue to the fore again and give us another go. In the meantime if Brussels try to wangle us into the Euro then that could be the trigger that brings it all to an end. One thing is for certain Brexit 'aint going away after June 23.
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You would have to speak to the daft bastards who voted for him, which tended to be the older people.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
And you trust these institutions that have "skin" in the game. Fair enough, I'd probably trust them more if Osborne and Cameron weren't their mouthpiece, that said, they and I don't.

It is becoming embarrassing about how shit we are and how we are totally useless without the saviour that is the EU. There are good and bad points for staying, there are positives and negatives... we can each make our choices but I wish there was less scaremongering on both sides!
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We know what the EU are about, it is the Brexiters suggesting the pavements will be paved with gold and rainbows will shit money when the glorious empire returns.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I wish there was less scaremongering on both sides!
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I will agree the remain campaign should lay off the Russians are coming shit, but surely there is a lot of truth in the financial forecasts?

What do you want the remain to say to the question 'Will we be better off out?'

Should they say 'Dunno' ?

Just because every single independent organisation says that 'Leave' will have hugely negative financial consequences doesn't make it a scare story does it? I mean you can choose not to believe it or to say well fuck it I just don't like the Romanians or fuck it I don't want the Germans to have any views on my bananas but it is the current view of those who are paid well to know these things

Seems a bit climate change denier to me ....anyone for Nigel Lawson?
 
So the big boys tomorrow. I think the country will vote to stay in.

I'm voting out as Obama said we should stay in, and him being a massive **** means that I would vote the opposite of what he said. Makes sense.
 
I see today's #projectfear is the ifs telling us brexit will extend austerity for two more years. This is particularly alarming when you consider our house prices will be falling, and we'll be at war with Russia, and have a recession at the same time. Thank god the government are hear to save us and explain how to vote properly, and even though the BBC are unbiased they report it. Yawn.
 
malg said:
So the big boys tomorrow. I think the country will vote to stay in.

I'm voting out as Obama said we should stay in, and him being a massive **** means that I would vote the opposite of what he said. Makes sense.
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What big boys tomorrow?

It's 23rd June the vote isn't it?
 
Helmet Cole said:
I see today's #projectfear is the ifs telling us brexit will extend austerity for two more years. This is particularly alarming when you consider our house prices will be falling, and we'll be at war with Russia, and have a recession at the same time. Thank god the government are hear to save us and explain how to vote properly, and even though the BBC are unbiased they report it. Yawn.
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easy Andy, they also reported that a few ex soldiers wanted out. Do you only want the views of Leave campaigners?
 
As Die Welt put it only this week:-


‘More and more of the 510 million EU citizens not only have no interest in Brussels, they flatly reject the European project and would be shot of it tomorrow. They feel the EU has increasingly become a bureaucratic monster that meddles in too many national interests, rather than worrying about the really important things. One that adopts a cucumber curvature regulation, rather than a viable and permanent solution to the refugee crisis. The British will soon have something of which many other Europeans can only dream: a chance to vote on whether their country remains a member of the Union…’
 
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