EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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We know what the EU are about, it is the Brexiters suggesting the pavements will be paved with gold and rainbows will shit money when the glorious empire returns.

I don't think anybody is saying that or indeed that we start an empire across the world. What we who are voting exit are struggling to see is actual benefits of staying or those that there are are offset by the negatives, cost, sovereignty, immigration, closer integration etc.

That's all. Out isn't going to be easy we all know that.
 
The Treasury ... ''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
Bank Of England ... ''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
IMF ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
US Goverment ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
IFFS ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''

Hands in ears 'LaLaLa'
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Or maybe they all have something else in common ? try Goldman Sachs or Bilderberg where Osboure, Cable & Balls were all on the 2015 invited list, interestingly they recently gave a joint press conference backing the remain camp.
Nor was it the US Government, it was Obarmy who`s chief financial mouthpiece is ex GS, funny how them f*ckers keep popping up aint it ?
 
The Treasury ... ''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
Bank Of England ... ''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
IMF ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
US Goverment ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''
IFFS ...''Wrong'' .. ''Liars!''

Hands in ears 'LaLaLa'

When was the last treasury forecast right?

B.O.E - Missed a biggy with the global financial crisis? Can't remember the last inflation target they called correctly -

IMF - scared the pants out of everyone into the consequences of not joining the euro not just the UK/ also went along with the eu's medicine for Greece 5 years ago - remind me how that little project is going?

U.S Government - they need the uk in the eu big time as they see the rest of the block as socialist incompetents when it comes to a market economy

Surprised you missed the CBI, FBI, CIA, MI6 , Free Maisons and the Illuminati - think for yourself pal - there are many officials/experts on the Brexit side talking shite as well
 
I don't think anybody is saying that or indeed that we start an empire across the world. What we who are voting exit are struggling to see is actual benefits of staying or those that there are are offset by the negatives, cost, sovereignty, immigration, closer integration etc.

That's all. Out isn't going to be easy we all know that.

Here is another huge problem, this time from the WTO

The World Trade Organisation has said that if Britain leaves the EU, extra tariffs imposed on imported goods could cost the British consumer £9bn. As the Press Association reports, WTO director general Roberto Azevedo said in an interview with the Financial Times that the UK would have to negotiate membership of the organisation - as it is currently represented by the EU - and trade deals with countries around the world.

- That will wipe out what we can do with the money saved theory, Azevedo went on to say

An exit from the EU, for example, would cause the UK to lose the preferential access to other markets covered by 36 trade agreements with 58 countries negotiated by the EU. As a result, to remain compliant with WTO rules the UK would have to impose higher “most favoured nation” tariffs on imports from those 58 countries while they would have to levy their own surcharges on British exports, Mr Azevêdo said.

A WTO analysis had calculated the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

“The consumer in the UK will have to pay those duties. The UK is not in a position to decide ‘I’m not charging duties here’. That is impossible. That is illegal,” Mr Azevêdo said.

The only other option available to the UK would be removing all barriers for all WTO members, effectively turning its economy into a duty-free one like Singapore and lifting the protections politically sensitive domestic industries enjoy under the EU. “That is possible. But that is also very unlikely,” he said.


Leaving really is suicide.
 
B.O.E - Missed a biggy with the global financial crisis? Can't remember the last inflation target they called correctly -

not sure a global financial meltdown is within the Bank of Englands remit, but on point two - this month?

on the positive side there is some validity about the US feeling we are a good influence on Europe, just cut the nonsense and totally made up bollocks and we are getting somewhere
 
Yes the IMF quote should of read the CBI - But if you want a list look at how they mishandled the South East Asia crisis in 97 , repeated some of the same mistakes with Argentina and Russia before you say it's bollocks I was on the far east private bank desk at the time in 1997 and remember the IMF saying they made a complete hash of that - more bollocks I suppose? They've apologised countless times for Greece which to their credit is more than the EU have ever done.

B.O.E. has direct access to reports in money flows in financial instruments from all uk institutions and would of been well aware that a bubble was being created in the sub-prime sector with their connections with the fed, FSA was also culpable with the regulatory framework in place at the time.

You need to look beyond your thought control remain pamphlet
 
Here is another huge problem, this time from the WTO

The World Trade Organisation has said that if Britain leaves the EU, extra tariffs imposed on imported goods could cost the British consumer £9bn. As the Press Association reports, WTO director general Roberto Azevedo said in an interview with the Financial Times that the UK would have to negotiate membership of the organisation - as it is currently represented by the EU - and trade deals with countries around the world.

- That will wipe out what we can do with the money saved theory, Azevedo went on to say

An exit from the EU, for example, would cause the UK to lose the preferential access to other markets covered by 36 trade agreements with 58 countries negotiated by the EU. As a result, to remain compliant with WTO rules the UK would have to impose higher “most favoured nation” tariffs on imports from those 58 countries while they would have to levy their own surcharges on British exports, Mr Azevêdo said.

A WTO analysis had calculated the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

“The consumer in the UK will have to pay those duties. The UK is not in a position to decide ‘I’m not charging duties here’. That is impossible. That is illegal,” Mr Azevêdo said.

The only other option available to the UK would be removing all barriers for all WTO members, effectively turning its economy into a duty-free one like Singapore and lifting the protections politically sensitive domestic industries enjoy under the EU. “That is possible. But that is also very unlikely,” he said.


Leaving really is suicide.
Is that £9bn each? I need to know as the car is due a cambelt change next month and I'm trying to budget.
 
Look about and read the last 430 pages.
You will get the gist.

Nice swerve. I've been reading this thread from the beginning and I have my view. I just want to know what yours is based on. I'm not asking for a list of pro's and con's. What I'm asking you to clarify is what the EU is ABOUT in your opinion.
 
why are people even bothered about the economy, IF it struggles it will recover. If we dont leave we will never recover our right to self determination again. This and this alone should be enough to have everyone vote out.
When the EU master plan has played out then the votes of the people in this country will affect the EU path about as much a a local council election vote for the monster raving loony party affects Westminster.

Why dont people get this and for those that do get it and are still EU sluts why??
 
Here is another huge problem, this time from the WTO

The World Trade Organisation has said that if Britain leaves the EU, extra tariffs imposed on imported goods could cost the British consumer £9bn. As the Press Association reports, WTO director general Roberto Azevedo said in an interview with the Financial Times that the UK would have to negotiate membership of the organisation - as it is currently represented by the EU - and trade deals with countries around the world.

- That will wipe out what we can do with the money saved theory, Azevedo went on to say

An exit from the EU, for example, would cause the UK to lose the preferential access to other markets covered by 36 trade agreements with 58 countries negotiated by the EU. As a result, to remain compliant with WTO rules the UK would have to impose higher “most favoured nation” tariffs on imports from those 58 countries while they would have to levy their own surcharges on British exports, Mr Azevêdo said.

A WTO analysis had calculated the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

“The consumer in the UK will have to pay those duties. The UK is not in a position to decide ‘I’m not charging duties here’. That is impossible. That is illegal,” Mr Azevêdo said.

The only other option available to the UK would be removing all barriers for all WTO members, effectively turning its economy into a duty-free one like Singapore and lifting the protections politically sensitive domestic industries enjoy under the EU. “That is possible. But that is also very unlikely,” he said.


Leaving really is suicide.
The inners keep banging on about tarrifs if we leave.... can someone just tell me why? Why would tarriffs be introduced, moreover why would we agree to them? I am not doubting it would happen but I'd like to know why? What's changing? A pair of adidas trainers on the 23rd of June will be exactly the same pair on 24th. It seems to me the governments and money men are looking to jump back on to the financial merrygoround, so again, the original question why tarrifs....? For what purpose and benefit? More importantly whose benefit as no doubt tarrifs will be reciprocated?
 
Nice swerve. I've been reading this thread from the beginning and I have my view. I just want to know what yours is based on. I'm not asking for a list of pro's and con's. What I'm asking you to clarify is what the EU is ABOUT in your opinion.

I know it isn't me you're asking, but I thought it an interesting question to answer anyway.

I think the EU is about regulating for regulation's sake in order to slowly control each member country and allow the bureaucrats in the EU to skim a nice wedge for themselves off the top.

A federal Europe isn't something I personally want but I understand the arguments for it. If that was the direction that most people wanted to take, then I still wouldn't want the EU driving. Scrap it and start again without the needless excess.
 
Nice swerve. I've been reading this thread from the beginning and I have my view. I just want to know what yours is based on. I'm not asking for a list of pro's and con's. What I'm asking you to clarify is what the EU is ABOUT in your opinion.

Then you will know my view.
 
[QUOTE="crazyadi,

Why dont people get this and for those that do get it and are still EU sluts why??[/QUOTE]

It's a very good question mate and a puzzle. I have come to the conclusion that it is for a few reasons.The first one is that they are so anti the Tory party and don't trust the Tories to deliver on manifest pledges so would rather be ruled from Brussels and shit on their own democracy for egotistical reasons. I must admit that Cameron's recent two faced front causes me to have some sympathy with this view, but to shit on your own democracy because of an idiot or even a domestic political party that you don't like is cutting your nose to spite your face.
The second is just pure self interest. Thinking through one's pockets and not one's principles. Fuck the country as long as I'm alright.
The third is that they are just sycophantic yes men, always were and always will be. They prefer to take orders because it involves less thinking, less creativity, less effort.
 
Then you will know my view.
I wouldn't be asking if I knew would I. What is it you are basing your judgement on? I'm asking this as a genuine question because the post by crazyadi gets to the heart of the problem. Why do you think the way you think? Knowing what we all know?
 
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The inners keep banging on about tarrifs if we leave.... can someone just tell me why? Why would tarriffs be introduced, moreover why would we agree to them? I am not doubting it would happen but I'd like to know why? What's changing? A pair of adidas trainers on the 23rd of June will be exactly the same pair on 24th. It seems to me the governments and money men are looking to jump back on to the financial merrygoround, so again, the original question why tarrifs....? For what purpose and benefit? More importantly whose benefit as no doubt tarrifs will be reciprocated?

Seriously read what the WTO is and what it does and they will explain to you why the prices will go up.
You are looking at this the wrong way.
Because there are so many deals and agreements much of the prices are low as can be expected.
You will have noticed the price of mobile calls across Europe dropped in April (this is just a quick example) It now costs the same for you to ring London as Athens. That is because the maligned Euro Parliament wants the same for all countries. Individual countries, whinged and bitched under pressure from Telecom businesses but it was finally signed off in April. We leave, that right will leave with it.
 
[QUOTE="crazyadi,

Why dont people get this and for those that do get it and are still EU sluts why??

It's a very good question mate and a puzzle. I have come to the conclusion that it is for a few reasons.The first one is that they are so anti the Tory party and don't trust the Tories to deliver on manifesto pledges so would rather be ruled from Brussels and shit on their own democracy for egotistical reasons. I must admit that Cameron's recent two faced front causes me to have some sympathy with this view, but to shit on your own democracy because of an idiot or even a domestic political party that you don't like is cutting your nose to spite your face.
The second is just pure self interest. Thinking through one's pockets and not one's principles. Fuck the country as long as I'm alright.
The third is that they are just sycophantic yes men, always were and always will be. They prefer to take orders because it involves less thinking, less creativity, less effort.
The fourth is that they just don't seee themselves as British but as some sort of personal international conglomerate. They've morphed themselves into an multinational.
 
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I wouldn't be asking if I knew would I. What is it you are basing your judgement on? I'm asking this as a genuine question because the post by crazyadi gets to the heart of the problem. Why do you think the way you think?

I am happy with the aims of the EU

To establish European citizenship. This means protection of fundamental human rights and freedoms.
To ensure freedom, security and justice.
To promote economic and social progress.
To assert Europe's role in the world. Through the helping and not bombing of other areas of the world. I have no qualms in aiding the rest of the world.

Europe is a rich, powerful and innovative place, i would just rather we concentrated on raising the standards of living for all.
It seems we are lining the pockets of the few and then killing those that have different views of those few.
 
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