EU referendum

[blueonblue]

 

[YPhrunts]

I am happy with the aims of the EU

To establish European citizenship. This means protection of fundamental human rights and freedoms.
To ensure freedom, security and justice.
To promote economic and social progress.
To assert Europe's role in the world. Through the helping and not bombing of other areas of the world. I have no qualms in aiding the rest of the world.

Europe is a rich, powerful and innovative place, i would just rather we concentrated on raising the standards of living for all.
It seems we are lining the pockets of the few and then killing those that have different views of those few.

Right, thanks. So what you are saying is that you don't trust your own country to deliver on human rights, freedom, or security and justice. Or to promote economic 'progress'. I'm not sure what you regard as 'social' progress because I would have thought you already covered it.
And from what you have said you don't trust us to issue aid and see us as murderers that need to be controlled by Europe. Fair enough.
So basically you are a wannabe dictator that wants to dictate for what you percieve to be the common good of Europe and you base all this on a morality that actually limits individual freedom and doesn't increase it.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Here is another huge problem, this time from the WTO

The World Trade Organisation has said that if Britain leaves the EU, extra tariffs imposed on imported goods could cost the British consumer £9bn. As the Press Association reports, WTO director general Roberto Azevedo said in an interview with the Financial Times that the UK would have to negotiate membership of the organisation - as it is currently represented by the EU - and trade deals with countries around the world.

- That will wipe out what we can do with the money saved theory, Azevedo went on to say

An exit from the EU, for example, would cause the UK to lose the preferential access to other markets covered by 36 trade agreements with 58 countries negotiated by the EU. As a result, to remain compliant with WTO rules the UK would have to impose higher “most favoured nation” tariffs on imports from those 58 countries while they would have to levy their own surcharges on British exports, Mr Azevêdo said.

A WTO analysis had calculated the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

“The consumer in the UK will have to pay those duties. The UK is not in a position to decide ‘I’m not charging duties here’. That is impossible. That is illegal,” Mr Azevêdo said.

The only other option available to the UK would be removing all barriers for all WTO members, effectively turning its economy into a duty-free one like Singapore and lifting the protections politically sensitive domestic industries enjoy under the EU. “That is possible. But that is also very unlikely,” he said.

Leaving really is suicide.

Don't worry we won't need to commit suicide as we will be at war remember ....

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I am happy with the aims of the EU

To establish European citizenship. This means protection of fundamental human rights and freedoms.
To ensure freedom, security and justice.
To promote economic and social progress.
To assert Europe's role in the world. Through the helping and not bombing of other areas of the world. I have no qualms in aiding the rest of the world.

Europe is a rich, powerful and innovative place, i would just rather we concentrated on raising the standards of living for all.
It seems we are lining the pockets of the few and then killing those that have different views of those few.

But Ken they're not raising the living standards of all quite the opposite in most cases over the last 10 years

 

[Pino]

The "Eurogroup" will disburse €7.5 Bn to Greece.
Greece will then have to impose even more draconian measures to make themselves poorer, and repay its creditors. Years, and years of serfdom for the coming generations of Greek's. Slaves they are, and slaves they remain.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

The "Eurogroup" will disburse €7.5 Bn to Greece.
Greece will then have to impose even more draconian measures to make themselves poorer, and repay its creditors. Years, and years of serfdom for the coming generations of Greek's. Slaves they are, and slaves they remain.

You forgot to add that the eu may cut a portion of their debt in 2018 if they have accused accomplished mission impossible and there's anyone left in the country to care any longer. Normally the Germans would of dug to their heels in but they need this wrapped up big time so they don't make any waves prior to the referendum...classy as always

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Seriously read what the WTO is and what it does and they will explain to you why the prices will go up.
You are looking at this the wrong way.
Because there are so many deals and agreements much of the prices are low as can be expected.
You will have noticed the price of mobile calls across Europe dropped in April (this is just a quick example) It now costs the same for you to ring London as Athens. That is because the maligned Euro Parliament wants the same for all countries. Individual countries, whinged and bitched under pressure from Telecom businesses but it was finally signed off in April. We leave, that right will leave with it.

It must be bloody terrible for all the countries in the world not in the Eu. God knows how South Korea, the USA, China, Australia, Canada etc etc etc get on in the world.

If only they were part of the Eu, they too could put away their horse and cart and have no economic worries whatsoever.....

 

[Helmet Cole]

why are people even bothered about the economy, IF it struggles it will recover. If we dont leave we will never recover our right to self determination again. This and this alone should be enough to have everyone vote out.
When the EU master plan has played out then the votes of the people in this country will affect the EU path about as much a a local council election vote for the monster raving loony party affects Westminster.

Why dont people get this and for those that do get it and are still EU sluts why??

Because even plain facts are obscured by the cult of celebrity and media hype.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

It must be bloody terrible for all the countries in the world not in the Eu. God knows how South Korea, the USA, China, Australia, Canada etc etc etc get on in the world.

If only they were part of the Eu, they too could put away their horse and cart and have no economic worries whatsoever.....

We talking about the WTO, they are all in it. Keep up.

Those that are not in it are the powerhouses of

Afghanistan
Algeria
Andorra
Azerbaijan
The Bahamas
Belarus
Bhutan
Bosnia
Comoros
Eritrea
Eq Guinea
Ethiopia
Iran
Iraq
Kiribati
Lebanon
Libya
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Nauru
North Korea
Palau
Palestine
Sao Tome
Serbia
Somalia
South Sudan
Sudan
Syria
Timor
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uzbekistan

They will be happy to sort out deals with you. Remember though, some of them have trade bans on them, so you cannot deal with them either.
Good luck

 

[johnnytapia]

I am happy with the aims of the EU

To establish European citizenship. This means protection of fundamental human rights and freedoms.
To ensure freedom, security and justice.
To promote economic and social progress.
To assert Europe's role in the world. Through the helping and not bombing of other areas of the world. I have no qualms in aiding the rest of the world.

Promoting economic progress? How’s that working in, say, Greece? Or Spain? Or the UK - no austerity here Sir.
Social progress - yep, here in the UK the class divide has never been closer has it? The number of children in poverty hasn’t risen to a record high - surely not, not in the EU? Say it ain’t so Ken.
Not bombing - that worked particularly well in, er, Europe. Ask the Kosovans. Or the Ukranians.
Protection of fundamental rights and freedoms - how’s that working in, say, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonai, Portugal, Poland, where they all work longer average weekly hours than the good ol’ USofA.

The EU’s aims - simple. To fill the fucking gravy boat and allow us all to be debunked by mythological bollocks.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

I am happy with the aims of the EU

To establish European citizenship. This means protection of fundamental human rights and freedoms.
To ensure freedom, security and justice.
To promote economic and social progress.
To assert Europe's role in the world. Through the helping and not bombing of other areas of the world. I have no qualms in aiding the rest of the world.

Europe is a rich, powerful and innovative place, i would just rather we concentrated on raising the standards of living for all.
It seems we are lining the pockets of the few and then killing those that have different views of those few.

If you believe those are its real aims you'll believe any old bullshit.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The "Eurogroup" will disburse €7.5 Bn to Greece.
Greece will then have to impose even more draconian measures to make themselves poorer, and repay its creditors. Years, and years of serfdom for the coming generations of Greek's. Slaves they are, and slaves they remain.

If only one of them would stand up and identify himself as Spartacus.............

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Go have a lie down and think about what you have written.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

If you believe those are its real aims you'll believe any old bullshit.

Talking of bullshit, I did last 18 seconds then saw it was Gerard Batten.

 

[bluethrunthru]

If you believe those are its real aims you'll believe any old bullshit.

So the UK Govt opt out of 100 out of 135 European Justice and Policing Measures and we have no control over our own laws??? The EU Arrest Warrant is without challenge - have you seen the US / UK Extradition Treaty FFS ??? Quote -

The treaty has been claimed to be one-sided because it allows the US to extradite UK citizens and others for offences committed against US law, even though the alleged offence may have been committed in the UK by a person living and working in the UK and there being no reciprocal right; and issues about the level of proof required being less to extradite from the UK to the US rather than vice versa

Are we seeking to not trade or deal with the U.S. as a result??

This is what the debate has come down to - very partial arguments from both sides MOST distorting the truth for their own ends. Its very sad.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Go have a lie down and think about what you have written.

I am making the assumption you are a labour voter, apologies for the assumption but just based from the content of your messages, if so, are you concerned labour's stance on this will lead to a similar situation as what happened in Scotland with people moving to the SNP after the Indy referendum moving to ukip after a remain vote?

 

[BigJoe#1]

The potential impact on the British economy has been widely researched by the Government and the Remain campaigners and heavily reported by the media here.

Is anyone aware of what the repercussions would be on the rest of Europe and their oen economies if we were to leave? Is there a likelihood that they would struggle and possibly collapse which would in effect make the British economy much stronger? I am not certain but it would not suprise me to learn that any negative assumptions around the rest of Europe had not been applied around the eventuality of Britain leaving the EU. The impression I get is that these figures and consequences all assume there will be no change in Europe.... which surely everyone would agree is not going to happen.

Don't forget we are the fifth strongest economy in the world and only behind Germany in Europe.I believe our leaving Europe would deliver a massive blow and severe collateral damage to Europe which it would struggle to recover from, probably much more than we would.

 

[aguero93:20]

Is anyone aware of what the repercussions would be on the rest of Europe and their economies if we were to leave? Would they struggle and many possibly collapse which would in effect make the British economy much stronger.

Any collapse of European economies would absolutely cripple the UK whether they were in the EU or not. It's called interdependence.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Any collapse of European economies would absolutely cripple the UK whether they were in the EU or not. It's called interdependence.

Can't argue with that. What impact do you think Britain leaving will have on the other EU country economies? I can't see them being in a position to prop up Greece (for example) and others, I just don't think they're that strong do you?

Either way, Britain would be more robust than most of Europe... or do you see it another way?

 

[Helmet Cole]

After much consideration I. Afraid I can only conclude that this thread is trolling the forum, which is against the CoC. I'm therefore reporting the op to himself.