EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

So it's nothing to do with the EU that there is poverty and hardship all across the UK, but it is thanks to the EU that the east end of London is rid of a deprived, and gangster run culture?

Get a grip on reality FFS EB2, again the quality of your arguements are of playground standard!

If you seriously want to argue that old hams economic decline is die to the EU that is laughable and shows you have lost all reason in your blind belief that everything for the last 150 years is due to the EU

 

[EalingBlue2]

@BIGJOE you know on east London No one came to the rescue it was poor deprived with high immigrants 300 years ago 200 years ago , 100 years ago and now - no one with power cared then they don't now. Yes it's south Asian instead of the Irish, Jews, other Europeans people from other parts of the U.K. , Huguenots etc that's the difference.

If the best you can do is blame early 20c industrial decline on the EU you have no case , it seems the many areas of strong anti EU argument have been given up on and the end of the empire and immigration scare campaigns are the arguments to fight on at least the campaign is starting to be honest

 

[worsleyweb]

Bolton certainly has and them Krays have been quiet for a while now as well. I presume you singled out those areas because of the huge amount of European ex-pats that live there?

No I singled them out as there absolute shit holes.

 

[yep]

May the European Project be with you and it soon will be if you vote to remain.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

So you blame immigration and not the total collapse of the textile and coal industries in the UK for the issue. Poor immigrants go to the most deprived area they don't go to a wealthy area and turn it deprived.

No I do not. I am just using the specific example of where I grew up. People say immigration is good for the economy and they are right in some respects there are fantastic people who contribute and make a huge contribution to my world and life culturally and economically. However whilst I accept this the corbyns the blairs the Ealing blues of this world just go blah blah blah I am not listening to people who say their own experience of mass immigration does have its downsides.

Oldham has experienced large scale immigration over the last 30 years and is officially the most deprived place to live in the uk.

It's only a quid on the bus to Manchester so the coal and textile industries has fook all to do with it.

Anyway as I have said before immigration is a global issue not an eu one, people want to better themselves and I accept that we should just try and manage it a bit better from both within the European Union and outside that's all.

 

[Monkfish]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 'European city of culture' designation. How can anyone sane vote for an organisation that out of all the city's in the EU decided at various times to award this thing to Liverpool, Glasgow, and perhaps best of all Hull?
This is just fucking mental.

Awarding the City of Culture to Liverpool was a major contributing factor that has led to the total regeneration of that city, to the point where it really is worth visiting. Should have left it to terminal decline I guess

 

[EalingBlue2]

No I do not. I am just using the specific example of where I grew up. People say immigration is good for the economy and they are right in some respects there are fantastic people who contribute and make a huge contribution to my world and life culturally and economically. However whilst I accept this the corbyns the blairs the Ealing blues of this world just go blah blah blah I am not listening to people who say their own experience of mass immigration does have its downsides.

Oldham has experienced large scale immigration over the last 30 years and is officially the most deprived place to live in the uk.

It's only a quid on the bus to Manchester so the coal and textile industries has fook all to do with it.

Anyway as I have said before immigration is a global issue not an eu one, people want to better themselves and I accept that we should just try and manage it a bit better from both within the European Union and outside that's all.

Oldham , like the valleys , like Thanet, like some of the Lancashire milltowns is poor because the industries that provided employment utterly collapsed. This destroyed the local economies , immigration is then high into these areas because they are poor and cheap. In these areas those who got good emolument moved elsewhere. It's the story of economics of capitalism and of any country in the world. Barely a city in Europe , Asia or Africa doesn't have these issues and it happened before the EU existed and will happen long after whatever the next manifestation of the EU is

I do agree with much d the last paragraph and think it's time the 99% stopped letting the 1% turn them against themselves

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Oldham , like the valleys , like Thanet, like some of the Lancashire milltowns is poor because the industries that provided employment utterly collapsed. This destroyed the local economies , immigration is then high into these areas because they are poor and cheap. In these areas those who got good emolument moved elsewhere. It's the story of economics of capitalism and of any country in the world. Barely a city in Europe , Asia or Africa doesn't have these issues and it happened before the EU existed and will happen long after whatever the next manifestation of the EU is

I will make that point to my mother when I am next in Oldham I am sure she will feel so much better about where she lives....

Enjoy your day at the beach in Brisbane today?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Awarding the City of Culture to Liverpool was a major contributing factor that has led to the total regeneration of that city, to the point where it really is worth visiting. Should have left it to terminal decline I guess

Fair point that . Hence why rawk is so high. In Liverpool they have seen a real benefit of Eu funding. Look at the airport.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I will make that point to my mother when I am next in Oldham I am sure she will feel so much better about where she lives....

Enjoy your day at the beach in Brisbane today?

If I had my way far more would be spent on Britains deprived areas and it's one of the drivers for my in vote. You'd get to Benidorm quicker than I'd get to Brisbane

 

[grunge]

Wow - just went onto the equivalent thread on RAWK to see if there was a similar split/debate - I actually felt grubby after reading a few pages.

It is like a pack of dogs pulling anyone down who dares to have an 'alternative' view. Everyone is REMAIN and woe betide anybody that even hints at thinking differently - immediate accusations of racist, xenophobe etc. Would guess that voter base is running at about 95% REMAIN

Liverpool has gained more than most from the EU so its bound to be more Remain over there.

 

[Monkfish]

Anyway as I have said before immigration is a global issue not an eu one, people want to better themselves and I accept that we should just try and manage it a bit better from both within the European Union and outside that's all.

I agree it should be better managed, but I have more of an issue with the sheer numbers in certain areas than in the sheer numbers. Not many immigrants at all where I live, though going off some of my neighborhoods white anglo saxon these colours don't run types they could hardly bring some parts of Stockport down

 

[Monkfish]

Liverpool has gained more than most from the EU so its bound to be more Remain over there.

Liverpools (and RAWKS) userbase/support if far more geographically diverse than this forum

 

[Barry Conlons wig]

I will make that point to my mother when I am next in Oldham I am sure she will feel so much better about where she lives....

Enjoy your day at the beach in Brisbane today?

I live in Oldham, well chadderton to be perfectly truthful, but a royton boy born and bred. The decline in Oldham is down to industry loss, however immigrants are not the problem in oldham, its third and fourth generation unemployed that think it's ok to be a bum. It's their families
that didn't want to do the menial tasks in the 60's and 70's that were essential for British business to prosper that allowed an influx of overseas workers. So we brought it on ourselves. However it's not the Asians that you see in the dole queue, it's the lazy, think their worth more than minimum wage, bummed at school tossers that you need to shout at. We need to stay in Europe without it this country will significantly suffer and businesses that pay our wages trading across the world will suffer because of blinkered racism!!!

 

[kas_tippler]

Male and pale

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I live in Oldham, well chadderton to be perfectly truthful, but a royton boy born and bred. The decline in Oldham is down to industry loss, however immigrants are not the problem in oldham, its third and fourth generation unemployed that think it's ok to be a bum. It's their families
that didn't want to do the menial tasks in the 60's and 70's that were essential for British business to prosper that allowed an influx of overseas workers. So we brought it on ourselves. However it's not the Asians that you see in the dole queue, it's the lazy, think their worth more than minimum wage, bummed at school tossers that you need to shout at. We need to stay in Europe without it this country will significantly suffer and businesses that pay our wages trading across the world will suffer because of blinkered racism!!!

I am a north Chad school boy. I agree with some of that. I am just saying immigration does not necessarily equal prosperity which is what people in Islington argue. It's more complex.

 

[hilts]

508 pages and a couple of inners are still trying to convince normal folk that uncontrolled immigration is good and a reason to vote in.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Liverpools (and RAWKS) userbase/support if far more geographically diverse than this forum

That's backed up by ragcafe's poll which has 70% out and 30% in - even celtic.net which is staunchly snp has a lower out rate at the moment at 60% and 11% undecided

 

[Monkfish]

508 pages and a couple of inners are still trying to convince normal folk that uncontrolled immigration is good and a reason to vote in.

508 pages and the outers are still trying to convince themselves that uncontrolled immigration is to blame for everything thats wrong in their lives

same as it ever was

 

[Monkfish]

That's backed up by ragcafe's poll which has 70% out and 30% in - even celtic.net which is staunchly snp has a lower out rate at the moment at 60% and 11% undecided

70% in you mean, its 70% that want Mourinho out