EU referendum

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

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thanks mate..thats a big help!;) Anyone that knows me from the Transfer forum, can tell you that ...shouting and expecting people to listen to my views" is just not my style at all....so apologies if the report I copied came across that like....

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Why has nobody seemingly asked this question of Cameron?, 'If leaving is such a perfect storm of shit, then why has he ceded to a referendum in the first place, if he has our supposed best interests at heart?"

He's a liar, either way. It's just a case of whether he put his own/party's political interests first, in order to be re-elected as PM, and doing a deal with his party's Eurosceptics was the trade-off.

I don't think the general public can be easily fooled, they know when they are being sold a pup.

The influx into this country in recent years will probably ensure the balance nudges towards remain?

Perhaps as the ever-changing demographic tipped the scales towards Khan in London and Galloway in Bradford?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

What split of the country do people see?

The Northern towns for out and Midlands/South East for Remain?

I can see this being an opportunity for an actual protest vote, more like local council elections, despite the overall magnitude?

I'll be voting out.

 

[Metal Biker]

Why has nobody seemingly asked this question of Cameron?, 'If leaving is such a perfect storm of shit, then why has he ceded to a referendum in the first place, if he has our supposed best interests at heart?"

He's a liar, either way. It's just a case of whether he put his own/party's political interests first, in order to be re-elected as PM, and doing a deal with his party's Eurosceptics was the trade-off.

I don't think the general public can be easily fooled, they know when they are being sold a pup.

The influx into this country in recent years will probably ensure the balance nudges towards remain?

Perhaps as the ever-changing demographic tipped the scales towards Khan in London and Galloway in Bradford?

In my view, offering a referendum was a "GE winner" to the Tories, and he probably hoped he'd be strong enoug to convince people that, after holding the referendum, he'd be able to convince them.

He's completely miscalculated that most if not all Inners didn't want to call the referendum at all.

 

[Metal Biker]

What split of the country do people see?

The Northern towns for out and Midlands/South East for Remain?

Scotland In, North out, Midlands mixed towards in, London In, South East out, South west mixed towards out, Northern Ireland In, Wales mixed towards out.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I'm surprised as JCB was a bit of a pillar of the economic remain argument iirc. Apparently the EU would stop digging holes or something if we left....

Know idea where they unearthed him from.

 

[Manchester33]

I hope that's sarcastic FFS Do you not remember Manchester in the late 70's and early 80's the state of town, Hulme etc Manchester has improved more in the last 40 years than just about any city in the UK and has thrived and become a well known global city. Manchester has had investment in the last 40 years that has turned around a century of decline. Though there are still some grindingly poor suburbs the city itself has come on a mile culturally, financially, sportingly and aesthetically - genuinely ????????????

You can build nice houses and flats and install a few new street lights, but that doesn't help serious traffic issues, unemployment, transport etc. We have some of the worst hospitals on the whole NHS.

I know our local council's could have made more correct decisions along the way. But our government are investing far to much money into the EU which doesn't come back to the North West.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Yes, Churchill WAS pro-European.

At no point did he EVER state that the UK should or would be a part of it. He saw a United Europe as an end to European Imperialism and contintental war (given that the UK had been involved in not one but three major conflicts in the space of 150 years.) He wanted Europe to stop fighting within itself, put an end to their empire building and to then trade with the British Empire.

Many people tend to use Churchill quotes completely out of context.

So you have finally come round to the view that the EU has helped with peace in Europe!

Churchill knew the horros of war and the importance of European Countries working together for a better future!

 

[Blue Til Death]

As has been said many times, nobody really knows how things will pan out when the country votes to leave, which It will in my opinion.

The EU needs us far more than we need it, we will still trade as normal without tariff, we will still be able to defend ourselves, set our immigration policy based on economic need and everything else a sovereign nation, with the political and economic clout we have, does.. The EU know only too well that when we leave, it will fold within 5 years, hence the hysteria people like Cameron have been spewing forth with gay abandon...!
I am voting out for the good of the country and its citizens, not for political figures like Boris or Cameron, the EU is a failed experiment and the (German) linch pin holding it all together will abandon ship too, shortly after we do...!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Scotland In, North out, Midlands mixed towards in, London In, South East out, South west mixed towards out, Northern Ireland In, Wales mixed towards out.

So Scotland's self-interests fucking it up for the rest of us again?

Surely, though, if they were smart, Nationalists would vote out and then they'd call for another referendum and stay in Europe, regardless?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Why has nobody seemingly asked this question of Cameron?, 'If leaving is such a perfect storm of shit, then why has he ceded to a referendum in the first place, if he has our supposed best interests at heart?"

He's a liar, either way. It's just a case of whether he put his own/party's political interests first, in order to be re-elected as PM, and doing a deal with his party's Eurosceptics was the trade-off.

I don't think the general public can be easily fooled, they know when they are being sold a pup.

The influx into this country in recent years will probably ensure the balance nudges towards remain?

Perhaps as the ever-changing demographic tipped the scales towards Khan in London and Galloway in Bradford?

Cameron had no choice as the 130 ish tory MPs and however many failed candidates who are outers would have caused havoc in the last general election campaign. A referendum was his only chance for keeping them together through the campaign. It’s a tory infight being played out via the whole nation.

 

[Metal Biker]

So Scotland's self-interests fucking it up for the rest of us again?

Surely, though, if they were smart, Nationalists would vote out and then they's call for another referendum and stay in Europe, regardless?

5 million people dictating to the other 59 million.

Whenever the In campaign and the SNP send fears of "ooh but the UK will break up if we vote to leave!" my reaction these days is more;

I'm that fed up with the threats.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Cameron's been promising the referendum for at least two whole terms, but had managed to keep putting it off with some crafty interpretations of when it was necessary or not.
At the time, it was generally held that we were about 60/40 in favour of remaining - so he / they almost certainly thought if push really came to shove they'd probably remain 'in' anyway.

He's been cornered into holding it now because once again it was used in the election campaign and he's been using it as a threat against the EU to try and gain some leverage.

However, the nation's not in the best of states at the moment - not least because of the financial crash still reverberating, and increased terrorism which has inflated tension with immigrant muslims, so there's a wave of enthusiasm to leave. Seemingly it's not an overwhelming wave, but a significant one all the same, and quite possibly enough to actually swing the vote to leave.

There's also a few politicians who need Cameron gone in order to progress - not least Boris, and Farage is still riding the wave of anti-muslim feeling. Not sure about Gove, maybe he genuine thinks out is a good idea. He thought he could fix education by insulting teachers too - I question his judgment.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Scotland would be a shoe in for another referendum on leaving the UK following an out vote. The DUP in northern ireland are on to this and are voting out. The thing is the SNP can not back the out camapign and then turn around and ask to leave the UK on the basis they want to be in Europe.

 

[FanchesterCity]

5 million people dictating to the other 59 million.

Whenever the In campaign and the SNP send fears of "ooh but the UK will break up if we vote to leave!" my reaction these days is more;

I'm that fed up with the threats.

We've lost an empire before now! We're just like City - we manage to snatch disaster from the edge of success ;-)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Cameron had no choice as the 130 ish tory MPs and however many failed candidates who are outers would have caused havoc in the last general election campaign. A referendum was his only chance for keeping them together through the campaign. It’s a tory infight being played out via the whole nation.

That's pretty much my point. He's played Russian roulette with the future of the British public, put his own interests and that of his party first.

As I say, the fact he was willing to put a supposed catastrophic sequence of events on our toes, to achieve his immediate aim, shows he can't be trusted on anything he is saying now.

He completely misread the Scottish referendum and this one will do for him.

It's my own belief that the website going down the other day for registration voters is somehow contrived? There's a real danger for Remain that apathy will seriously impact their final tally, and they need to get the narrative out there that all these new people are engaged?

The out campaign is much more emotive, feeling dis-engaged. mobilized.

As it were for Corbyn and now Trump.

 

[yep]

Sarah Wollaston left the Brexit camp because they were "peddling lies", if she is a woman of conscience the following cannot be a lie.

If George Osborne is not peddling lies in the poster above then he must be planning the removal of the triple lock on the state pension which rises every year by the highest of price inflation, earnings growth or 2.5%. Otherwise there would be no loss to the pensioners if Brexit wins!
If he is not planning to remove the triple lock then he is peddling lies which is Sarah Wollaston's objection to the Brexit camp!

Now, if I was a cynic,which thank the Lord I'm not ,sir, Sarah's logic for leaving Brexit does not compute.

 

[George Hannah]

She had already come out and said the 350 mill was a load of nonsense in the way it was framed. Maybe not the first to travel the road to Damascus...

You won't be able to move for the piles of scales fallen from the defectors eyes - before we've finished.
Anyway I'm glad she's can see the £350m on the Brexit battle bus now, it's only been there for 3 months.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

That's pretty much my point. He's played Russian roulette with the future of the British public, put his own interests and that of his party first.

As I say, the fact he was willing to put a supposed catastrophic sequence of events on our toes, to achieve his immediate aim, shows he can't be trusted on anything he is saying now.

He completely misread the Scottish referendum and this one will do for him.

It's my own belief that the website going down the other day for registration voters is somehow contrived? There's a real danger for Remain that apathy will seriously impact their final tally, and they need to get the narrative out there that all these new people are engaged?

Agreed Cameron has taken us down a path that over 90% of politicians and senior business leaders wanted to avoid. However in my view Boris is worse for his oportunistic jump on the leave bandwagon that has lined him up as the next tory leader. The fact the economy might be significantly dented in the process does not seem to worry him.

 

[FanchesterCity]

That's pretty much my point. He's played Russian roulette with the future of the British public, put his own interests and that of his party first.

As I say, the fact he was willing to put a supposed catastrophic sequence of events on our toes, to achieve his immediate aim, shows he can't be trusted on anything he is saying now.

He completely misread the Scottish referendum and this one will do for him.

It's my own belief that the website going down the other day for registration voters is somehow contrived? There's a real danger for Remain that apathy will seriously impact their final tally, and they need to get the narrative out there that all these new people are engaged?

I think that's overstretching a little.
We - the public are still choosing, and a fair whack of the public have wanted this referendum. He's the one who's been avoiding it (and was repeatedly criticised for doing so).
Now it's happening, it's a bit unfair to say he is the one gambling with our future.

When Blair went to war - he didn't have a referendum and he was criticised for putting our future in danger unilaterally.

I'm a labour voter, but I can't go so far as to say he is the one gambling. It's in the public's hands - democracy in action. The only thing is, democracy doesn't always mean you make the best choices.