EU referendum

[IanBishopsHaircut]

But my suspicion is that for many of the people of the xenophobic anti-european bandwagon, they aren't negatively impacted by anything the EU does at all.

The EU is an irrelevance in my day to day life. Mildly annoying from time to time is about as terrible as it gets.

Yes because we are all xenophobic haters...grow up! This is about a trade agreement we don't agree with...nothing more and nothing less

 

[Chippy_boy]

You missed out the actual fact though eh? 90% of UK business has no dealings with the EU whatsoever

No. 90% of UK businesses don't export to the EU. Not the same thing at all. There's another big percentage who import raw materials - food manufacturers for example, whose costs would rise and push up prices. And then there's the businesses who struggle to recruit UK staff - hotels, farmers, healthcare businesses, retailers.

It is simply wrong to say that 90% of businesses have no dealings with the EU. A VERY large proportion of UK businesses are intertwined with what we do with the EU.

 

[FanchesterCity]

SME's free from EU regulation??? lol

If you export to the EU now, you have one set of standards you have to adhere too - make the right product and you can sell to all EU countries.
Let them try selling a product to the USA who will require one set of standards, and China (good luck with that) who'll expect a different set, and Japan who'll expect yet another set.

Selling to disparate nations means more testing, more variations, and more regulations for products. The EU regs ARE a hurdle you have to get past like all other nations, but it's only one set for all 23 nations).

 

[EalingBlue2]

That would be funny if it weren't worringly possible (Trump calling the shots).

It's 100x more likely than a Juncker controlled army but we don't worry about it cause it wouldn't be the right HQ in Brussells that would be to blame. Just glad the South Pacific isn't in the North Atlantic

 

[Monkfish]

The EU is an irrelevance in my day to day life. Mildly annoying from time to time is about as terrible as it gets.

I can't even stretch that far, not one person has yet been able to tell me what the EU has done that I should be pissed off about.

The only benefit I can see about leaving the EU is that angry white men will stop banging on about leaving the fucking EU, but then they will just bang on about doleys, single mothers, asians... so not even sure I get that benefit

 

[Monkfish]

Wouldn't waste my time in you MF. If you annot read all that I write and choose to quote sections then fine, I'm sure you feel good on it. Anyway, like I said, you say nothing as to the benefits of staying in, you only can resort to finding fault, incorrectly in this case, with others' arguements.

You are like the little brat in the supermarket, forever wanting and whinging and crying. Just like I tolerate them I tolerate you - even with your disrespectful views about our servicemen.... So as you were!

So you want to withdraw that section or put it into context? Or just continue making stuff up without being pulled up on it?

 

[blueonblue]

Firstly gdp hasn't declined every year since joining the EU it has grown every year bar three recessions, if you mean it's been lower than the early seventies bubble that came just before oil crashed you'd be right.

There goes you word blindness again, read my post again with particular attention to the word GROWTH (Thats the one in between GDP and decline), feel free to post your apology when you have checked it

Goebels was as full of shit as you are pal.

The post was in answer to fanchester city using the same format he chose to twist the argument, you had better tell him he`s not sophisticated, or you could try reading all the posts rather than be selective for a more balanced view before you flap your trap.

And you still keep missing out the word MASS before immigration.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

two replies from the remain

Chippy says we are 'xenophobic'

Monkfish says we are 'angry white men' banging on about 'doleys and asians'

Really?!

To come out with such shite shows how worried the remain really are

 

[Chippy_boy]

I can't even stretch that far, not one person has yet been able to tell me what the EU has done that I should be pissed off about.

The only benefit I can see about leaving the EU is that angry white men will stop banging on about leaving the fucking EU, but then they will just bang on about doleys, single mothers, asians... so not even sure I get that benefit

Vacuum cleaners mate. They've limited the power of the bloody things. Does my head in.

If we leave, we'll still have limited power vacuum cleaners because Bosch and AEG and Sebo and Electrolux and everyone else is only making them to the EU specs. So the damage is done. It's terrible I tell you, TERRIBLE.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Yes because we are all xenophobic haters...grow up! This is about a trade agreement we don't agree with...nothing more and nothing less

It's not though is it? it's NOT about a trade agreement we don't agree with. It's predominantly about a sovereignty issue and immigration, not trade. That's what the vast majority of leavers and indeed the campaign has been focussed on. They are very worthy points to argue about too, and they are right, sovereignty and immigration are HUGE issues, but there's not a single peep about us being unhappy with trade deals.

Nobody's said 'take back control of our trade deals!!!'. It's all about control of our laws, and our borders. Nothing wrong with that, but don't say it's about trade.

 

[Chippy_boy]

two replies from the remain

Chippy says we are 'xenophobic'

I didn't say you are ALL xenophobic, but sure as hell many are. And if you think I am desperate, what's wrong with being desperate? The Leavers would have us make the biggest mistake this country has made since god knows when. I'd say that's worth getting passionate about, wouldn't you?

 

[FanchesterCity]

Vacuum cleaners mate. They've limited the power of the bloody things. Does my head in.

If we leave, we'll still have limited power vacuum cleaners because Bosch and AEG and Sebo and Electrolux and everyone else is only making them to the EU specs. So the damage is done. It's terrible I tell, TERRIBLE.

That's not the half of it - they've made us put a moulded plug on the end! They refuse to let me re-fuse!

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's not though is it? it's NOT about a trade agreement we don't agree with. It's predominantly about a sovereignty issue and immigration, not trade. That's what the vast majority of leavers and indeed the campaign has been focussed on. They are very worthy points to argue about too, and they are right, sovereignty and immigration are HUGE issues, but there's not a single peep about us being unhappy with trade deals.

Nobody's said 'take back control of our trade deals!!!'. It's all about control of our laws, and our borders. Nothing wrong with that, but don't say it's about trade.

very true though there can always be one exception

 

[Monkfish]

As you got upset at 'selective' quotes here is your whole paragraph Beej, this ok for you?

Tim, on your first para I think we do send approximately £350m a week.

Wrong

The inward investment us just that, it's the EU giving money to British projects. As I understand it, the rebate is retrospective, Ie you get a refund based on the previous years contributions.

Wrong

Whether that rebate is in the form of cash based on the previous years payment, or whether is discounted against the current years payment I really don't know, either way it does affect the overall amount we pay in and get back.

Apart from the 'really don't know bit' all wrong

 

[FanchesterCity]

The NHS
Schools & education
Jobs & employment
Defence, the armed forces and security
The policce
Welfare
Taxes
The economy, how well it's doing, money supply and fiscal policies etc
The environment

Can you think of anything else? Off the top of my head that's about it and we control ALL of these things. We don't need to "take back control", we already have it.

Vacuums

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The EU is essentially the Wehrmacht and SS in a suit and tie and the German Finance Minister's threat proves that. If that's fine by you then please vote Remain.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

I didn't say you are ALL xenophobic, but sure as hell many are. And if you think I am desperate, what's wrong with being desperate? The Leavers would have us make the biggest mistake this country has made since god knows when. I'd say that's worth getting passionate about, wouldn't you?

But it's just like the live debate last night...the remain just being shouty and aggressive...making assumptions

A lot of the left are firmly in the leave camp...to imply we all have BNP membership is just insulting

 

[Chippy_boy]

That's not the half of it - they've made us put a moulded plug on the end! They refuse to let me re-fuse!

LEAVE I tell you. We NEED removable plugs.

 

[EalingBlue2]

There goes you word blindness again, read my post again with particular attention to the word GROWTH (Thats the one in between GDP and decline), feel free to post your apology when you have checked it

Goebels was as full of shit as you are pal.

The post was in answer to fanchester city using the same format he chose to twist the argument, you had better tell him he`s not sophisticated, or you could try reading all the posts rather than be selective for a more balanced view before you flap your trap.

And you still keep missing out the word MASS before immigration.

Read what you wrote , if growth declines every year that means the % gets lower every year than the year prior. That is patently incorrect, I suspect you are trying to say that growth has been lower in every year since in% terms but that is a very very different thing . The decline shouldn't be there decline has not happened either in relative or absolute terms consistently .

 

[EalingBlue2]

But it's just like the live debate last night...the remain just being shouty and aggressive...making assumptions

A lot of the left are firmly in the leave camp...to imply we all have BNP membership is just insulting

The left leavers want to recreate the 1950's the right leavers the 1850's so you are a century ahead of many of your fellow recruits