EU referendum

[tshirtman]

He's not alone then. Kraft taking Cadbury production to Poland....
Perhaps Dyson would still be here if he could employ cheap labour from Romania. Oh hang on he could. So it's not about cheap labour then.

What?? so people in Malaysia earn the same as we do in the UK,
and what have Cadburys got to do with it, they aren't telling people to vote leave.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Spot on. Dyson thinks he's contributing to Britain by sitting in is Executive Box at Arsenal. HIs pure greed didn't allow him to consider the welfare of 900 UK families! Brexit don't give a toss about workers' rights.

Sorry you can't have it both ways, he gets criticised for 900 uk families losing their jobs for him moving out of uk, but you are ok for many more uk families losing their jobs or reduced pay because of unlimited migration from within the European Union are you?

Who is standing up for them . You?

 

[CityFan94]

Common sense tells you we simply can not build houses or schools fast enough for the levels (Even if we could afford it), so the only thing that WILL happen is more homeless, jobless, and poorly educated people.

That's the most important thing.

The number of immigration is miles above the number of jobs, houses and schools available.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

There you go again wanting a detailed account for the future. You either believe in our democratic system to produce a plan to move forward after the vote or you believe that it cannot deliver and that the history of our parliamentary process is beyond governing this country for our own good. You are a sceptic glass half empty sort of fella. You are not alone.
Personally I have faith in our democracy to deliver what we need. That's the bottom line.
You want detailed costs of how our EU budget money is going to be spend, where and how much. That is not going to happen. You just haven't grasped what a referendum is about.

I guess we can both agree here mate......I dont believe in our government enough to produce a plan...as feel that most of the current problems have been acaused by local government...Its the blind leading the blind and I would only risk what we have now for "gaurantees" from Boris and Gove that they had even "some" idea of what was going to happen. For them to say "Dont worry..We are British" is just a poor excuse for just telling us they dont having a clue.....I understand that it is impossible to give guarantees, no one can see 5 years into the future but because they cant give us any plan, its impossible for anyone to make an informed decision to leave...They cant run the country with what they have now....I trust them even less with more responsibility, to drag us out of a short term economic mess that would happen if we leave.....If you asking someone to bet on their job,home, etc....Yes, absolutely, I want a more detailed account than what they have given so far to voting out!!...and I disagree that we will be that worse off in the EU than by leaving...It's not even about "glass half empty"....If Boris could tell me what he going to be pouring into that glass I would happily listen!;)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What?? so people in Malaysia earn the same as we do in the UK,
and what have Cadburys got to do with it, they aren't telling people to vote leave.

You may be right, Cadbury may be recommending it's workers to stay.
If so, they're the same sort of 'scum' as Dyson supposedly is, and still not giving a toss for British workers.
In or out, business is business.

 

[tshirtman]

If it wasn't for his innovation, those 900 would never have had a job in the first place.
Profit is what keeps businesses growing, if costs can be minimised, they will adopt certain strategies and utilise them.
Sad for some, I agree, but father Christmas he isn't.

and it was those 900 people that helped to build his company up to where it was, but yet they have to be ever so grateful they had a brief spell of employment, wave him on his way saying what a good chap,
this is 2016 not 1816

 

[Ancient Citizen]

and it was those 900 people that helped to build his company up to where it was, but yet they have to be ever so grateful they had a brief spell of employment, wave him on his way saying what a good chap,
this is 2016 not 1816

Indeed it is, which is why he's relocated.

 

[YPhrunts]

I guess we can both agree here mate......I dont believe in our government enough to produce a plan...as feel that most of the current problems have been acaused by local government...Its the blind leading the blind and I would only risk what we have now for "gaurantees" from Boris and Gove that they had even "some" idea of what was going to happen. For them to say "Dont worry..We are British" is just a poor excuse for just telling us they dont having a clue.....I understand that it is impossible to give guarantees, no one can see 5 years into the future but because they cant give us any plan, its impossible for anyone to make an informed decision to leave...They cant run the country with what they have now....I trust them even less with more responsibility, to drag us out of a short term economic mess that would happen if we leave.....If you asking someone to bet on their job,home, etc....Yes, absolutely, I want a more detailed account than what they have given so far to voting out!!...and I disagree that we will be that worse off in the EU than by leaving...It's not even about "glass half empty"....If Boris could tell me what he going to be pouring into that glass I would happily listen!;)

Oh for Christs sake. It's not Boris's glass to start pouring into. Why don't you get that. He cannot produce a detailed manifesto as he is not pushing for a new government.
I give up.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You may be right, Cadbury may be recommending it's workers to stay.
If so, they're the same sort of 'scum' as Dyson supposedly is, and still not giving a toss for British workers.
In or out, business is business.

It's not the Mafia! Dyson was given a Knighthood for services to this country under false pretences. If Cadbury aren't any better then their opinion doesn't count either!

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Oh for Christs sake. It's not Boris's glass to start pouring into. Why don't you get that. He cannot produce a detailed manifesto as he is not pushing for a new government.
I give up.

You should get mystic meg in, she can predict the future, or may be Dynamo , he appeals to younger people more.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Sorry you can't have it both ways, he gets criticised for 900 uk families losing their jobs for him moving out of uk, but you are ok for many more uk families losing their jobs or reduced pay because of unlimited migration from within the European Union are you?

Who is standing up for them . You?

Yes because the stronger our economy the more jobs that will be created for our people.

You will have seen on this thread a poster providing a link to an independent report showing that immigrants have largely taken extra jobs that have been created.

If reduced pay means I am no longer held to ransom by plumbers and electricians (as was the case ten years ago) that will do me. Remember when there was a routine £50 call out charge before a plumber or electrician inspected a job?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I am far from being rich and I definitely need to work. But on the other hand, I am also not on the bread line and I will cope if the economy goes down the toilet. It will hurt, but I will cope. I may be out of work for a while, but I am out of work already, so I will manage.

That being the case, were it not so damned important, I'd be half tempted to say, Brexit? Bring it on - just so I could point and laugh at the smug, deaf and blinkered idiots who brought the whole mess about. The liars, the fools, the hopelessly unrealistic idealists, the anti-establishment anarchists, the xenophobes. Those who didn't *think* about what the consequences will be when we have NO EU trade agreement - and we won't have. We have high tariffs on our 44% of our exports - which we will. And many of our manufacturing businesses cut jobs or leave altogether - which is totally inevitable.

But in all sincerity and being less emotional I really hope that sad day does not come to pass. If it does, those losing their jobs and watching their standard of living plummet, you will have brought it on yourselves and can suck it up.






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[Ancient Citizen]

It's not the Mafia! Dyson was given a Knighthood for services to this country under false pretences. If Cadbury aren't any better then their opinion doesn't count either!

I would respectfully hazard a guess that you've never run a business?
However, we digress, the point being made is that in or out, businesses can and will relocate worldwide. The EU, despite perceived wage and worker rights
has no power to stop this.

 

[hgblue]

I am far from being rich and I definitely need to work. But on the other hand, I am also not on the bread line and I will cope if the economy goes down the toilet. It will hurt, but I will cope. I may be out of work for a while, but I am out of work already, so I will manage.

That being the case, were it not so damned important, I'd be half tempted to say, Brexit? Bring it on - just so I could point and laugh at the smug, deaf and blinkered idiots who brought the whole mess about. The liars, the fools, the hopelessly unrealistic idealists, the anti-establishment anarchists, the xenophobes. Those who didn't *think* about what the consequences will be when we have NO EU trade agreement - and we won't have. We have high tariffs on our 44% of our exports - which we will. And many of our manufacturing businesses cut jobs or leave altogether - which is totally inevitable.

But in all sincerity and being less emotional I really hope that sad day does not come to pass. If it does, those losing their jobs and watching their standard of living plummet, you will have brought it on yourselves and can suck it up.






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How high are these tariffs going to be?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Yes because the stronger our economy the more jobs that will be created for our people.

You will have seen on this thread a poster providing a link to an independent report showing that immigrants have largely taken extra jobs that have been created.

If reduced pay means I am no longer held to ransom by plumbers and electricians (as was the case ten years ago) that will do me. Remember when there was a routine £50 call out charge before a plumber or electrician inspected a job?

Before you were talking about standing up for workers rights, now it's about how much YOU pay for a plumber and electrician. Words actually fail me.

 

[SWP's back]

It's not the Mafia! Dyson was given a Knighthood for services to this country under false pretences. If Cadbury aren't any better then their opinion doesn't count either!

Under false pretences? You think he received one for employing 900 people?

 

[blueonblue]

and I disagree that we will be that worse off in the EU than by leaving...It's not even about "glass half empty"....If Boris could tell me what he going to be pouring into that glass I would happily listen!;)

Rather that try and look for answers and reassurances that are simply not possible to give ( Though the remain side are certainly willing to lie they can ) you need to ask the person you can trust to do the best for you.

The direction this country goes is up for grabs now, do you trust yourself because that is what you are being asked to vote on, whether its you who picks the people to make the laws and decisions in the future or not, forget all the other shite because its just that, shite.
You will have no vote to remove some faceless bureaucrat if they take a direction you dont like.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I would respectfully hazard a guess that you've never run a business?
However, we digress, the point being made is that in or out, businesses can and will relocate worldwide. The EU, despite perceived wage and worker rights
has no power to stop this.

Your wrong on that one! Aslo, in my current work I have to generate sufficient income or I'm out of a job.

Yes businesses will relocate because workers have better rights in the UK. My problems with Dyson is the holier than thou attitude to Brexit. Sorry James if I've offended you!

 

[SWP's back]

How high are these tariffs going to be?

He doesn't know there will be any.

 

[SWP's back]

Before you were talking about standing up for workers rights, now it's about how much YOU pay for a plumber and electrician. Words actually fail me.

He'd rather pay less obviously so fuck whichever worker he's paying.