EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Just heard on Radio 4 that Cameron has said that spending on pensions and the NHS would be affected if we left. Fucking hell, Conservatives in worrying statement about NHS spending!

Also reporting that Corbyn is getting some abuse for appearing in a comedy programme rather than getting involved in the referendum.
 
malg said:
Just heard on Radio 4 that Cameron has said that spending on pensions and the NHS would be affected if we left. Fucking hell, Conservatives in worrying statement about NHS spending!

Also reporting that Corbyn is getting some abuse for appearing in a comedy programme rather than getting involved in the referendum.
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Lol. Tories trying to drag corbyn onto their burning remain ship. Very shrewd and cynical move standing back from this one and watching the very folk who say he's unelectable and untrustworthy lie and rip each other to bits.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
My thoughts are firstly that Cameron will not survive this referendum. He has played it so badly it's untrue.
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How might he have "played it" better? I've heard this a number of times, and am intrigued as to what people think he ought to have done?
 
malg said:
Just heard on Radio 4 that Cameron has said that spending on pensions and the NHS would be affected if we left. Fucking hell, Conservatives in worrying statement about NHS spending!
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You're another leave voter with eyes closed and hands over your ears then?

The UK has less money WHEN the economy tanks, and derrrr, funding the NHS gets even more difficult. Not that your bothered about that at all, clearly.
 
hgblue said:
We wouldn't be alone for very long. The Dutch recently had a poll which resulted in 88% wanting their own in out referendum, and you don't ask for a referendum on something you're happy with. Euroscepticism is growing across Europe, and countries like Sweden, Denmark, and even France are currently showing majority support for an exit. The tide of opinion is turning against the EU, so what would their response to Brexit be? People presume it will play hard ball, but a lot can happen in the two year negotiating period. If the risk of others following Britain is seen as a very real one, I believe the EU will offer Britain a deal designed to head off a complete collapse, and we'll end up with a two tier Europe with some countries heading towards a USE, and others having a much looser trading relationship.
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This is an interesting article on how the debate might go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36500747

I expect it will take the EU most of the two year period during which negotiations are supposed to take place to reach a consensus within the EU on their own negotiating position in order to start negotiations.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're another leave voter with eyes closed and hands over your ears then?

The UK has less money WHEN the economy tanks, and derrrr, funding the NHS gets even more difficult. Not that your bothered about that at all, clearly.
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Not got my eyes closed or hands over my ears at all. I'm voting out because that **** Obama has dared to fucking tell me to vote 'in'. He's a ****, and I will do the opposite of anything the cheeky **** has to say. As I said, he's a busy **** who should fuck off out of our business.......

Oh, and it's 'you're'!
 
urban genie said:
Yes but ofgem removed the price fixing and gave suppliers freedom to charge what they want, any block of a utilities company price hikes would need to be refered to the competitions regulator and that does not guarentee they would stop price hikes
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So let's say EDF rammed their gas and electricity prices up by 20%. Do you think: (a) that would be permitted, and (b) they would keep any customers?
 
cibaman said:
This is an interesting article on how the debate might go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36500747

I expect it will take the EU most of the two year period during which negotiations are supposed to take place to reach a consensus within the EU on their own negotiating position in order to start negotiations.
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Good article, read it yesterday I think. What folk on both sides of the argument tend to forget is that an 'out' vote would be like changing the course of a very large slow moving ship, rather than turning off a tap or a light switch.
There will have to be comprimises all round on trade and immigration that long term will leave neither side thinking they've 'won'
 
malg said:
Not got my eyes closed or hands over my ears at all. I'm voting out because that **** Obama has dared to fucking tell me to vote 'in'. He's a ****, and I will do the opposite of anything the cheeky **** has to say. As I said, he's a busy **** who should fuck off out of our business.......

Oh, and it's 'you're'!
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Seems fair, I'd probably be voting in tbh if the outers had presented their arguments in a non condescending manner and not got on my tits so much. I suspect I'm not alone, but the damage is done.
 
Helmet Cole said:
I'm surprised the remainers have not mentioned the French owned UK utilities. Until we get a trade agreement in place the UK will no longer have water. This will doubtlessly add to the woe caused by the war with Russia, falling house prices, and now it would seem the end of the NHS and pensions.
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Will be interested to see the effect on those who stayed out of the firing line, e.g. Corbyn and May. Wise to stay out of it or lacking in leadership material?
 
Chippy_boy said:
How might he have "played it" better? I've heard this a number of times, and am intrigued as to what people think he ought to have done?
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I didn't say he could have played it better, just that I think he's played it badly, that said....

I think he would have been better advised to have been a bit more statesman like and not to get the government so involved with the remain campaign, the Tory party yes, the government no. If he had displayed an air of professionalism by giving the balanced view, giving scenarios where the positives and negatives of remaining and leaving were presented he would have done betterBecause he's thrown himself and the government behind the remain campaign and to be fair, been the leader of the scare tactics arguement (I accept Brexit have mis led too, but not as bad as Remainers - with their latest forecast) his reputation is in tatters. He was hardly a popular PM in the first place so there are a lot of Brexiters who will be seeing thus as an opportunity to kick him in the balls, regardless of the European question - that's why I think he's played it badly, but it f you disagree and think the the boy done good, then fine, no problem!
 
sir baconface said:
Will be interested to see the effect on those who stayed out of the firing line, e.g. Corbyn and May. Wise to stay out of it or lacking in leadership material?
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As a further extension to Chippy Boys question, Theresa May is an example of how Cameron would have been better advised to act, as PM he should be talking about what as PM he will be doing if we leave or if we remain, after all he did set that scenario up at the start when he said if he didn't get the deal he wanted he would fight passionately to get us out because we're a great country and we can do it.... he had the chance and he fucked it!
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
As a further extension to Chippy Boys question, Theresa May is an example of how Cameron would have been better positionec, though as PM he should be talking about what as PM he will be doing if we leave or if we remain, after all he did set that scenario up at the start when he said if he didn't get the deal he wanted he would fight passionately to get us out because we're a great country and we can do it.... he had the chance and he fucked it!
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For me where Caneron has handled it badly was not having the oversight to see how his decisions would clash down the line. For example, announcing that immigration would be reduced to the tens of thousands (that he could only control the non EU half of - that grew anyway) and holding the referendum. He could have avoided the former but probably not the latter -but this shows a weakness in strategy.

I don't agree that there has been more negativity on one side or the other. I think Brexit has been clever in labelling the In Campaign as negative - effectively stealing the clothes of the SNP in the Scottish referendum. A further parallel with The Scottish referring is the SNPs campaign didn't need to worry about the price of oil - and the priority was the out vote!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
My thoughts are firstly that Cameron will not survive this referendum. He has played it so badly it's untrue.

Whoever succeeds him, regardless of whether we remain or leave will not be able to put the party back together, there will be too much dissent. For example can you see Gideon, May, Rudd and Morgan (to name but four) backing Boris? Or possibly, Redwood, Johnson, Gove, Cash and Rees Mogg (to name but five) working with ir alongside Gideon? Personally I can't see it can you?

The government will be a lame duck and have no choice but to go to the country. However you might be correct and they may just all kiss and make up and lead us into the future, or at least until the investigation into election fraud come to light. Again I just can't see it happening.

We will just have to wait and see I guess!
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The government can't go to the country.
We are committed to 5 year terms unless a vote of no confidence is carried and no other government can be formed from the current parliament.
 
 
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