EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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blueonblue said:
Then report "Facts" instead of nonsense, how about you tell the nice people all about "Black Wednesday" ( And just how the "Recovery" took weeks) ?, markets often never recover my arse, this current "Fall" is no more than speculation in the market before a known event, in point of "Fact" there will be a huge "Recovery" when the result is known.
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The market is where it was a decade ago, Japan isn't close to 25 years ago, markets don't always rebound in the long run, that depends on long run fundamentals
 
SWP's back said:
Ealing should do what Cameron is doing now. Keeping a low profile. All he's likely to do to any floating voters with this latest bollocks is turn them off the idea of staying.
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If people are that weak minded they shouldn't have a vote as should apply if you can't even look at historic facts anymore
 
EalingBlue2 said:
I thought we all worked for Goldman Sachs they are behind everything?

Bonds with negative yield possibly?

We shall see what happens!
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Bonds with negative yields are already play in the Eurozone as I posted a couple of days ago with 10 year German paper dropping in there for the first time ever. It is however important to put matters into context, the lead up to the drop in yields in core Eurozone government bonds to where they are today and the usual opposite effect on the periphery eurozone bonds has been a result of a disjointed eu policy and massive flights to safety to the core members - movements have been exacerbated by the brexit vote because naturally this adds another layer of risk to the Eurozone but in comparison to whats taken yields to where they are now Brexit is just a small piece in a much bigger puzzle.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The market is where it was a decade ago, Japan isn't close to 25 years ago, markets don't always rebound in the long run, that depends on long run fundamentals
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You have to define which "market" for a start.

Do you know your return in the last ten years in a FTSE tracker with dividends reinvested?
 
YPhrunts said:
So what you and MillionMIlesaway are saying is that you don't vote on principle just on pragmatic issues. Fair enough but it's not how I would vote if I was coming at this with a new vision.
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The current government is too right wing for my preference. If we vote out I expect it will move further to the right. I expect brexiters to be brought into the cabinet, not on merit, but to bolster the numbers. I am reluctant to vote for that, especially at a time when we do not have an effective opposition. Is that principle, pragmatism or both?
 
SWP's back said:
'Ones' return.
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Not adjusting for dividend or inflation but the comment was that markets always go up. I am no investor but didn't the market hit 6000 in 1997 or 98 and isn't it below that today? Hardly permanent growth and there are much worse examples
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Not adjusting for dividend or inflation but the comment was that markets always go up. I am no investor but didn't the market hit 6000 in 1997 or 98 and isn't it below that today? Hardly permanent growth and there are much worse examples
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June 15th 2006 to June 15th 2016 returns 38% capital growth with dividends reinvested.

Try and get that in a bank.

And no, it's over 6,200 at present.

The FTSE 100 is also just one index of the 100 leader shares on the Uk index by capitalisation. The S and P 500 has double that return over the same period.

But to be honest, very few investors simply invest in a single index which is scattergun approach rather than trying to buy value.

And as I keep repeating, 100bn hasn't been wiped off the nations wealth, the money has simply been liquidised to cash/bonds. The wealth is still there but pension funds are always cautious and will stock up their lower risk assets ahead of an election.
 
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Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
The UK is less than 10% urban. It just feels more when you live in an urban area. Scotland is less than 2%.

There is room, there is just no desire or money!

I get your point though as I've said before I can see both arguments.

Working in finance I have read some scary predictions for the next 4/5 years and I just think it could affect a lot of people more than immigration does.
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There is NO room around some of our cities and towns, that's the point. I don't know where you live but try driving around Kent and experience the congestion and you might sober up a bit. I suppose we could build a few more cities and towns....something like a new Coventry every year. Ain't going to happen overnight is it or is it even desirable.
Some people won't be happy until this country looks like Hong Kong. And what happens after that?
 
SWP's back said:
June 15th 2006 to June 15th 2016 returns 38% capital growth with dividends reinvested.

Try and get that in a bank.

And no, it's over 6,200 at present.

The FTSE 100 is also just one index of the 100 leader shares on the Uk index by capitalisation. The S and P 500 has double that return over the same period.

But to be honest, very few investors simply invest in a single index which is scattergun approach rather than trying to buy value.

And as I keep repeating, 100bn hasn't been wiped off the nations wealth, the money has simply been liquidised to cash/bonds. The wealth is still there but pension funds are always cautious and will stock up their lower risk assets ahead of an election.
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Different situation but down here you would have bettered that with any of the banks ironically enough.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Not adjusting for dividend or inflation but the comment was that markets always go up. I am no investor but didn't the market hit 6000 in 1997 or 98 and isn't it below that today? Hardly permanent growth and there are much worse examples
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And during that time we've had 9/11 and the 2008 economic crash, both of which saw an astronomical amount wiped off the FTSE 100 - far more than the poxy £100 billion you're bleating on about.

In any case, the FTSE 100 is lower now than it was just over 2 years ago when I took control of my SIPP yet my investments are - on the whole - about 16% up in that time.
 
YPhrunts said:
There is NO room around some of our cities and towns, that's the point. I don't know where you live but try driving around Kent and experience the congestion and you might sober up a bit. I suppose we could build a few more cities and towns....something like a new Coventry every year. Ain't going to happen overnight is it or is it even desirable.
Some people won't be happy until this country looks like Hong Kong. And what happens after that?
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Never mind that who is going to fuckin pay to build a new Coventry every year. Oh that's right me!!!!
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
The UK is less than 10% urban. It just feels more when you live in an urban area. Scotland is less than 2%.

There is room, there is just no desire or money!

I get your point though as I've said before I can see both arguments.

Working in finance I have read some scary predictions for the next 4/5 years and I just think it could affect a lot of people more than immigration does.
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i understand your point. the problem i have with it, is quality of life. what do you do concrete over all the country side ? then in say twenty years time have huge cities, with more traffic and more people. i love going on walks through the country side, i dont want to see it gone, which is what will happen if our population rises as much as it has.
 
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