The perfect fumble
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Corbyn and his following of freaks should hang their heads in shame.
Yeah, and your shit smells of rosemary and lavender.
Corbyn and his following of freaks should hang their heads in shame.
EB2. Go find yourself a full length mirror, stand in front of it and take a good long hard look.This is the core issue with Brexit as it was with the Scottish independence vote. Everything good happens despite of the EU (or Uk) everything bad happens because of the EU (uk) surely no one will seriously fall for that line - it's Kim Jong il in its bias
Mountains of red tape, I can assure you of you go back through history and look at the tariffs, trade embargoes, other taxes and at multiple levels of government and other such things that used to exist in many ways global and European trade is easier than it's ever been.
Hmmmm - 'pretence' is the key word here. I have sat in many rooms with many senior Civil Servants - up to Perm Sec level - musing over how economic/financial/evaluation models can be designed to bring forward a pre-disposed position of ministers and Secretaries of State - but I will not go too much into that on an open forum.
What I will say clearly is that senior Civil Servants are very protective of their career paths and for every example you could name of someone that has taken a principled stance there are a mass that have managed the outcome to please their master(s).
You are right to be sceptical of the data from think-tanks, who secure a lot of their funding and the majority of their revenue streams from being 'respected' by government, but you should (only IMHO) take the outpourings from the remain camp equally with a healthy level of scepticism.
I have paid little attention to the in camp I already have my view and I think their campaign is weak when it really is strong. I look at the last 30 years as my evidence and the state of play today and not speculation on the future .Hmmmm - 'pretence' is the key word here. I have sat in many rooms with many senior Civil Servants - up to Perm Sec level - musing over how economic/financial/evaluation models can be designed to bring forward a pre-disposed position of ministers and Secretaries of State - but I will not go too much into that on an open forum.
What I will say clearly is that senior Civil Servants are very protective of their career paths and for every example you could name of someone that has taken a principled stance there are a mass that have managed the outcome to please their master(s).
You are right to be sceptical of the data from think-tanks, who secure a lot of their funding and the majority of their revenue streams from being 'respected' by government, but you should (only IMHO) take the outpourings from the remain camp equally with a healthy level of scepticism.
no it's not all down to the EU , it's probably mainly down to baby boomers selling a countries infrastructure for short term gain and nuclear weapons deterring war as much as the EU or anything else and that's not my point, it is the nonsense of someone pretending the last 40 years have been fucked!
Thanks that felt good - what a handsome old devil!EB2. Go find yourself a full length mirror, stand in front of it and take a good long hard look.
You are everything to the remain campaign to a tee, that you accuse the Brexiters of being.... Honest!
Thanks that felt good - what a handsome old devil!
Inners don't need to make up propaganda for the future it's really a question of today and the past ie are the long term negative trends in the UK economy causes by the EU ? Clearly not as they started nearly a century before? Are problematic economics today caused by the EU? Mainly not its the GFC? Do I trust EU bureaucrats or British politicians to make better decisions? Probably, Do I think the British economy has enough on the balance sheet to deal with any short term economic problems? No, do I think the UK can compete on the open market with Asia ? No All based on today or the past century without any need to make up a golden picture of the future