EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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cibaman said:
They'd struggle to make much coverage out of Corbyn's contribution to the debate
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Corbyn should be hammering the Brexit leaders Gove, Boris and Farage on their many mistakes. Instead he spends his time going around universities giving speeches on human rights.

All very well and good but he doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the general voters. :/
 
KenTheLandlord said:
Far from it and a shocking reflection on people who think that.
There are millions of people who have done very well for themselves despite coming from you would call a working class background.
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Erm, not disputing that, never have, never would. What's your point? Are you agreeing here or...?

KenTheLandlord said:
They are moving closer together for a reason not to carry on trading with other countries and then not bothering with the tariffs and taxes that come with it.
Why on earth would any of those countries buy a load of fridges off the UK when they can buy them cheap from another country within TPP?
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Are you defending TPP here? In the same bracket, why would they trade with the EU in that case? The EU needs outward investment in order to survive, with or without Brexit. French and German politicians (ones not under Merkels jackboot) are opposing TTIP, the EU's deal with the USA. Without TTIP and if as you claim TPP nations won't need to tradew outside thsi new trade agreement, how is the EU meant to survive when it's the worst performing trading bloc in the world with no clear signs of improvement?

It's odd that many remainers claim to want globalisation, come up with inventive arguements as to why Britain, alone, would not be able to trade globally. (NB: This is not a direct dig at yourself, but your claim that Britain cannot or would not be able to trade with other nations such as Australia, New Zealand, China and Japan e.g., is one i've heard many times from Remainers who also seek the 'globalisation' dream, so I'm merely making an observation)
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Not really since TTIP has been kicked into the long grass!

PBs point about risks in and out is fair though!
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indeed - much has been deferred until after June to seek to avoid making the federalist and expansionist aims of the EU too obvious.

Once they get past the 23rd avoiding a Brexit swift action will be taken to progress the agenda and also to make sure the citizens of any country are never given the opportunity again.

This is our chance - get out now as we will not get another. I actually think they will have contingency plans in place even if we vote Leave to ensure it never actually happens.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
TTIP has certainly not been kicked into touch. There are elements that one side or other doesn't like but negotiations are well advanced. Two thirds of the 27 key issues are either agreed or close to being. They are talking about completing the agreement in about 3 years time.
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Just re-watched the Andrew Neil interview with Hillary Benn and you are clearly correct here. It is agreed by those that make decisions before final turd polishing and rubber-stamping'

Saving the NHS by avoiding this should be on the side of a bus!!
 
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mcfc1632 said:
indeed - much has been deferred until after June to seek to avoid making the federalist and expansionist aims of the EU too obvious.

Once they get past the 23rd avoiding a Brexit swift action will be taken to progress the agenda and also to make sure the citizens of any country are never given the opportunity again.

This is our chance - get out now as we will not get another. I actually think they will have contingency plans in place even if we vote Leave to ensure it never actually happens.
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The EU don't do anything swiftly. You should have realised that by now.

Btw: I am tipping a Brexit win. The next Tory Government (if bolstered by Brexit) will largely privatise our public sector and open it further to international competition anyway.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You said it had been kicked into the long grass when that's clearly not the case.

And we all believe cast-iron assurances given by politicians don't we?
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Wow - all that proved was that the statement of being kicked into the long grass was bollocks. It will go the way all such matters do - first get acceptance and then expand/refine etc until the end game is achieved.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Just re-watched the Andrew Neil interview with Hillary Benn and you are clearly correct here. It is agreed by those that make decisions before final turd polishing and rubber=stamping'

Saving the NHS by avoiding this should be on the side of a bus
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The NHS is exempt but don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!
 
Democracy in the end is what this referendum is about. The right of the populace to choose their government and as such the laws they wish to live by. The restoration of the nations democracy is what you could start next week. First by voting out and then by holding the government to account once their hands are freed of the EU shackles. It's a great opportunity. Grasp it firmly and shape your own future.

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