EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Prestwich_Blue said:
We were "committed" to eliminating the deficit by 2015. Remind me how that went? Most of these experts we keep talking about feel there's a good chance that Georgie-boy ain't going to hit 2020 either so we'll have to wait and see.

And I've never said growth will increase if we leave the EU. The forecasts suggest there may be a short recession or lower growth, then lower growth over the longer term but economic forecasts aren't particularly reliable and no one, least of all the likes of me and you, knows what will happen. There are so many variables that might impact things, including a further Eurozone crisis.
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The point is PB, because you're looking at this through Brexit-coloured specs, you were trying to suggest that if we stay in the we'll have more austerity in order to meet EU budget deficit targets. I think we now both agree that if we leave, and then have lower growth, then we'd need more austerity in order to get rid of our deficit.

So in fact the very opposite of what you suggested is true. If we stay in (and the planet is not hit by an asteroid or some other completely unpredictable event), we'll have higher growth and less need for austerity, for less time, than if we were to leave.

I might also add that a more right wing Tory government post Brexit, would probably cut harder and deeper than the current plans.
 
Just in case you thought the EU were softening......

There will be no further renegotiation of Britain’s relationship with the EU after the referendum, European Commission president Jean Claude Juncker has said.


In a last minute intervention that will be viewed as deeply unhelpful by David Cameron and the Remain camp, Mr Juncker said the Prime Minister had already “got the maximum he could receive” from his pre-referendum negotiation in February.


Mr Cameron has said repeatedly this week that he will use a Remain vote to push for further reform of the EU, particularly around freedom of movement rules.
 
nellyonthewing said:
Just in case you thought the EU were softening......

There will be no further renegotiation of Britain’s relationship with the EU after the referendum, European Commission president Jean Claude Juncker has said.


In a last minute intervention that will be viewed as deeply unhelpful by David Cameron and the Remain camp, Mr Juncker said the Prime Minister had already “got the maximum he could receive” from his pre-referendum negotiation in February.


Mr Cameron has said repeatedly this week that he will use a Remain vote to push for further reform of the EU, particularly around freedom of movement rules.
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I think it is fair to say that the call for further reform would need to be led by the leaders of other EU Countries to have a real impact. Cameron woukd have to be in the supporting cast!
 
lazerblue said:
your watching the telly arent you
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Yes and reading lots and Nigel Fascist telling me that Brexit is the people's revolt tells me all I need to know. If that lying **** tells you something then the opposite is true he's a fraud.
 
Mike D said:
Yes and reading lots and Nigel Fascist telling me that Brexit is the people's revolt tells me all I need to know. If that lying **** tells you something then the opposite is true he's a fraud.
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Nigel Fascist, i like that one.
The former tory boy working his bollocks off trying to get his knighthood in the unelected HoL.
He really is a grim piece of work.
 
An interesting point raised by the BBC, and I'm interested in your opinion.

A loss for the "leave" campaign in the Scottish Referendum undeniably led to the surge of the SNP in the last GE. Such a narrow loss for them built up all the support and anger amongst the "leave" side (of which there were a lot of supporters) and I'm not saying this was the only factor, but it was a main one.

Could we see a surge in UKIP if there was a narrow Remain victory? Not to the same extent as the SNP (taking over Parliament), but all Labour supporters, and Conservative supporters that are anti EU, could we see a significant increase in these voters swapping to UKIP. However the one factor that does count against this is that the next GE is 3/4 years away so it might have died down, unlike the GE after the Scottish Referendum was only 1 year after.
 
Todays complete fuckwittery and twatishness by the leave campaign with goves nazi bullshit and the planes over trafalgar square leaves a sour taste that even if I was in two minds I could never vote in agreement with the wankers running their campaign.
 
@EalingBlue2

It's quite clear to me that you fundamentally don't understand what sovereignty is, either that, or you're deliberately muddying the waters.

But again, clearly, you base your whole argument around a false premise.

You've used an absolutely clear false dichotomy to found your entire argument:

We either accept being a vessel state of a globalist's wet dream, with little sovereignty - or we have complete sovereignty over every single facet of life and become an isolated backwater.

Neither are true.

Your whole argument for unrelenting globalism is rather depressing, frankly. Almost comes across as shilling.

We can find a balance which is best for Britain, and we can do it with a leave vote. And I hope we do.
 
Helmet Cole said:
So Cameron batting for remain is a cunning double bluff? Excellent, on like a good conspiracy.
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I am talking about Brexit claiming to be the voice of the people is simply a fraud https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite

And for the suckers that have taken this in good luck to you. To be perfectly honest if it wasn't important I wouldn't bother and its no wonder Corbyn can't be arsed. The campaign has been vile divisive and its only the fact that Brexit will cost us in the short and long term in the economic and social sense. I despise Cameron and Osborne in so many ways but you keep asking yourself this question what do these folk on the Brexit side want? What's in for them this talk of sovereignty is BS because what they really want is less regulation which means less HR and workers workers rights. Then there's the centre point of this immigration which they know is a lie we are a service lead therefore in simple terms you don't sell your services to immigrants then your economy doesn't grow.

What this is all about is control screwing us and helping them. So great british people like Sir James Dyson who loves his country so much he's taken it abroad and taken his office off shore so he pays no taxes what a lovely man. Outside Brexit those that will prosper will be those like Dyson and Bamford who want the UK to remain as the central hub for tax havens. Stop those meddling EU and we can then become a country which helps crooks and anyone with cash keep their wealth. In return the UK will not ask for its tax and starve its citizens of proper public services.

In short its the lesser of the 2 evils which I'm pretty much putting my faith in EU protecting us from being shafted by these shysters.
 
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