Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[west didsblue]

Never fear it is all going to be all right for you unrepresentative elites out their.

The Boris alleged Brexit campaign was anything but. It was there to muddy the waters with blandant lies. He was a trojan horse pr man. A kindergarten school could have run a better campaign.
The markets will settle.
The ponzi scheme will continue.
Article 50 won’t be invoked by the next conservative leader.
An election will be called.
Article 50 won,t be invoked by the new prime minster as referendum 2 will have taken place, possibly on the same ballot paper.

Business as usual. Let the Putin bashing continue…….

 

[urban genie]

I will give Corbyn one thing he's a stubborn bugger, My party is in a mess and tbf I blame the lot of them, but mainly the quitters who have missed the opportunity to hammer the tories and possibly set labour on a different route completely, and you know something if they could have behaved from the start I expect corbyn would have gone within his term anyway to pave the way for an electable leader, but instead they brought out his petulant side.

 

[ultimateharold]

Labour MP's resigning from the cabinet in ever growing numbers now. I think Miliband's decision to implement the 3quid a pop membership vote
has screwed Labour, the 300,000 or so socialist workers, Trots, students and anarchists will make sure Comrade Jezza remains esconced, even though
the majority of his core support (in their millions), gave him two fingers on Thursday. The bloke sticks to dogged belief that unlimited immigration is
good for Britain,and just will not accept that this in direct conflict with the electorate. I'm not about to rake up more fucking immigration agendas,
whether your for or against is of no relevance, but the unpalatable fact for Corbyn is that unless he becomes more aware of this festering sore,
he has no more chance of power than I have.

Quite. Called this at the start to many of my mates who jumped on the £3 bandwagon. He has some strange disconnect from reality.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Never fear it is all going to be all right for you unrepresentative elites out their.

The Boris alleged Brexit campaign was anything but. It was there to muddy the waters with blandant lies. He was a trojan horse pr man. A kindergarten school could have run a better campaign.
The markets will settle.
The ponzi scheme will continue.
Article 50 won’t be invoked by the next conservative leader.
An election will be called.
Article 50 won,t be invoked by the new prime minster as referendum 2 will have taken place, possibly on the same ballot paper.

Business as usual. Let the Putin bashing continue…….

Did you write this on the 22nd of June?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You really have it right there. The Labour members just seen to be so myopic and completely brainwashed about this Guy. I have two friends in their early 50s, worked for the DSS, one lives in Chorlton one wishes she did and their Facebook page is full of banners, memes etc about how wonderful Corbyn is, they even have that annoying habit of referring to him solely as Jeremy like they are close personal friends, they paid their £3 and have been incredibly OTT about the whole thing, the racist label attached to all the outers, the whole ashamed to be English routine and how 'Jeremy' is so compassionate and caring etc, personally speaking I think he is an arrogant dogmatic cretin who is beyond useless and the worst leader of the opposition ever, he makes IDS and William Hague look inspirational. The irony of it all is re their dyed in the wool new out in the open socialist ideals is they shop at Waitrose, won't set foot in pubs like Wetherspoons and love the Souless £4 a pint bars, they wouldn't be seen dead in the presence of the 'great unwashed'.

The problem is, I wish I wasn't, although no Labour voter, they are the only party to offer a credible opposition, with this bloke in charge they have no chance of getting anywhere near the Tories, and strong opposition means better governance all round. The folk you speak of are the ones holding Labour back, they have forever screamed about not being 'Tory Lite' whilst again ignoring the painful truth that that is exactly what they have to be; this country IMO is ever so slightly centre-right, but acknowledges and accepts the centre- left if the others start to go too far. With an intransigent hard left throwback like Corbyn as leader, although it gives great joy to many on the left, it does not result in power, which is the ultimate aim.

 

[Clevers]

McDonnell is the new comical Ali it seems.

Mind you he inadvertently got it right yesterday when he said "Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere"

 

[blueinsa]

Mind you he inadvertently got it right yesterday when he said "Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere"

.....other than back to the back benches ;-)

 

[Pino]

Corbyn should have removed the Blairites earlier as now we see the usual labour party attack on the wrong people again, in order to get elected and ‘appear’credible. Why is it that the only people who haven’t learnt from Brexit are the Blairites?? The Blairites are a cancer in the labour party and the wider media and if they do eventually overthrow Corbyn then that definitely will be the end. Meanwhile, yet again, a weak and broken tory party just carries on and reconsolidates because it was ‘born to rule’.

 

[west didsblue]

I will give Corbyn one thing he's a stubborn bugger, My party is in a mess and tbf I blame the lot of them, but mainly the quitters who have missed the opportunity to hammer the tories and possibly set labour on a different route completely, and you know something if they could have behaved from the start I expect corbyn would have gone within his term anyway to pave the way for an electable leader, but instead they brought out his petulant side.

I think it's more likely that the quitters are anticipating a general election sooner rather than later, and with Corbyn in charge Labour will have no chance of winning it. So it's worth a bit of short term chaos if they can get a credible leader in place in time for an election early next year. If they can't get rid of him I can see a breakaway party forming with the majority of the PLP jumping ship.

 

[west didsblue]

Corbyn should have removed the Blairites earlier as now we see the usual labour party attack on the wrong people again, in order to get elected and ‘appear’credible. Why is it that the only people who haven’t learnt from Brexit are the Blairites?? The Blairites are a cancer in the labour party and the wider media and if they do eventually overthrow Corbyn then that definitely will be the end. Meanwhile, yet again, a weak and broken tory party just carries on and reconsolidates because it was ‘born to rule’.

Actually it's the Corbynites that are the cancer in the Labour party. Due to Ed's rule change it's allowed all the far left activists to join up for £3 and take control which is steering the party's policies in the opposite direction to those which the majority of its traditional support would vote for.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Actually it's the Corbynites that are the cancer in the Labour party. Due to Ed's rule change it's allowed all the far left activists to join up for £3 and take control which is steering the party's policies in the opposite direction to those which the majority of its traditional support would vote for.

They'll never get it, I'm afraid, those Che Guavara posters continue to resonate.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Lid dems playing a shrewd game and slipping under the radar. Tim Farron ignoring the result and the will of his own constituency and pledging to take us back into the eu if elected. This should make them the party of protest for unhappy remainers and probably part if a coalition govt again.

 

[Clevers]

Actually it's the Corbynites that are the cancer in the Labour party. Due to Ed's rule change it's allowed all the far left activists to join up for £3 and take control which is steering the party's policies in the opposite direction to those which the majority of its traditional support would vote for.

Labour's activists have gone back to the 1980's where they thought that the fact a lot of people hated Thatcher meant they would automatically get elected by default regardless of their policies.

 

[west didsblue]

Lid dems playing a shrewd game and slipping under the radar. Tim Farron ignoring the result and the will of his own constituency and pledging to take us back into the eu if elected. This should make them the party of protest for unhappy remainers and probably part if a coalition govt again.

I'd say more deluded than shrewd. I voted remain but I have to accept that 1.2m more people voted leave. A total vote of 17m for leave is 6m more than voted the current government in. That can't be ignored.

 

[Helmet Cole]

I'd say more deluded than shrewd. I voted remain but I have to accept that 1.2m more people voted leave. A total vote of 17m for leave is 6m more than voted the current government in. That can't be ignored.

I'd say more cynical than anything. Farron has spotted a chance to grab power from the carnage that is about to envelop the Tories and labour.

 

[west didsblue]

Labour's activists have gone back to the 1980's where they thought that the fact a lot of people hated Thatcher meant they would automatically get elected by default regardless of their policies.

..and it didn't work then in the middle of Thatcher's scorched earth policy in the North of England so it's got no chance now.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Lid dems playing a shrewd game and slipping under the radar. Tim Farron ignoring the result and the will of his own constituency and pledging to take us back into the eu if elected. This should make them the party of protest for unhappy remainers and probably part if a coalition govt again.

Somehow, I doubt it. What he's suggesting is what was mentioned quite a lot by the leave campaign, ie; 'If membership of the EU were on the table now, would you join?'
The answer being, no fucking chance. This cry baby's petulant outburst and sickening rejection of democracy will possibly gain slight traction from the sore losers.
but going back in we certainly ain't.

 

[Clevers]

..and it didn't work then in the middle of Thatcher's scorched earth policy in the North of England so it's got no chance now.

The point I was making. The strange thing is that Labour's activists always ending hating any of their leaders that get elected and become PM.

 

[philiph20]

The problem is, I wish I wasn't, although no Labour voter, they are the only party to offer a credible opposition, with this bloke in charge they have no chance of getting anywhere near the Tories, and strong opposition means better governance all round. The folk you speak of are the ones holding Labour back, they have forever screamed about not being 'Tory Lite' whilst again ignoring the painful truth that that is exactly what they have to be; this country IMO is ever so slightly centre-right, but acknowledges and accepts the centre- left if the others start to go too far. With an intransigent hard left throwback like Corbyn as leader, although it gives great joy to many on the left, it does not result in power, which is the ultimate aim.

I just can't comprehend why they just don't get it?, surely to God they aren't that naive and gullible?. Corbyn is the greatest gift to the Tories out there.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The point I was making. The strange thing is that Labour's activists always ending hating any of their leaders that get elected and become PM.

That's true, for those leaders, particularly Blair, although an odious twat, knew how to win elections, if Corbyn wins one, let alone 3, then my cock's a kipper ;-)