Gelsons Dad
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Racism works both ways you know.
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Racist incidents on the rise?
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This thread is nasty but that was funny!That'll be Chelsea.
bluethrunthru
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TBH, the idyllic time was just after the end of the last ice age; there was nobody here!
Fuck off I have seen that cartoon - there were talking mammoths and everything !!!
FanchesterCity
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So I keep hearing from the defensive posters who voted to leave.
I voted to remain.
I loathe racism.
Racists voted to remain. Probably a lot more racists voted to leave. That's about it.
Nobody stood 'shoulder to shoulder' with them. People just voted as they saw fit.
As I've said, attending a football match doesn't make someone a hooligan, just because hooligans are at the football too.
'Standing shoulder to shoulder' is a metaphor for supporting their views. It's nonsense.
bluethrunthru
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Racism works both ways you know.
Oh it does but there are no reports of Poles daubing offensive slogans on British peoples homes and none of an old English gentleman being verbally abused by some Chinese kids in the street.
BillyShears
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Come on man, that's not at all what he said.
He believed leaving was the right vote for the nation, regardless of what racists may also think.
I vote for less monitoring of the the population, but I don't support terrorism.
I voted remain, he voted leave, but no way on earth should the views of racists be allowed to influence his vote.
The problem is that what I initially posted was jumped on by people who voted to leave. I said and I stand by this, anyone who voted to leave whether they like it or not, should've known that at best best they'd be accused of condoning racism and at worst they'd be accused of being racist. That's a reality when the whole fucking campaign was run in the manner it was.
You can't have it both ways. Stand next to a bigot and say "well i'm with him because he might be a bigot but his ideas will make me richer" doesn't somehow exempt you from the accusations of racism. The British population wasn't mobilised to vote based on the actual facts about what the EU represents or what it does on a practical level. It was mobilised by right wing newspapers based on bigotry.
bluethrunthru
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Did our WWII veterans stand shoulder to shoulder with Stalinism?
Do all football supporters stand shoulder to shoulder with hooligans?
Dunno but no supporters will stand shoulder to shoulder with that shower of fucking shite from last night .........!!!
BillyShears
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Oh it does but there are no reports of Poles daubing offensive slogans on British peoples homes and none of an old English gentleman being verbally abused by some Chinese kids in the street.
He's implying, and he isn't the first person in this thread to do this, that i'm indulging in reverse racism/bigotry because I have the temerity to suggest that a vote to leave was condoning racism.
jay_mcfc
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The British population wasn't mobilised to vote based on the actual facts about what the EU represents or what it does on a practical level. It was mobilised by right wing newspapers based on bigotry.
This, this and fucking this.
FanchesterCity
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He's implying, and he isn't the first person in this thread to do this, that i'm indulging in reverse racism/bigotry because I have the temerity to suggest that a vote to leave was condoning racism.
That's where the problem lies - suggesting a vote to leave was condoning racism. It's wasn't. It just happens to also be how many racists voted. Should they NOT have voted leave, because the racists were going to?
bluethrunthru
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He's implying, and he isn't the first person in this thread to do this, that i'm indulging in reverse racism/bigotry because I have the temerity to suggest that a vote to leave was condoning racism.
As a Remain voter I would agree your vote for leave was both democratic and not an endorsement of racism - you can't deny though that film crews and radio interviewers are having no problems in finding Leaver voters to interview that are clearly out and out racist bigots... it seems easier for them than it is for SKY Sports to find an Irish or Cockney rag outside the swamp to interview. And we all know how piss easy that is.
Gelsons Dad
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The problem is that what I initially posted was jumped on by people who voted to leave. I said and I stand by this, anyone who voted to leave whether they like it or not, should've known that at best best they'd be accused of condoning racism and at worst they'd be accused of being racist. That's a reality when the whole fucking campaign was run in the manner it was.
You can't have it both ways. Stand next to a bigot and say "well i'm with him because he might be a bigot but his ideas will make me richer" doesn't somehow exempt you from the accusations of racism. The British population wasn't mobilised to vote based on the actual facts about what the EU represents or what it does on a practical level. It was mobilised by right wing newspapers based on bigotry.
So racist and greed then anyone who voted leave.
And what about those who saw it as a referendum about sovereign democracy? Oh yeah that's a good message so couldn't possibly be attributed to anyone who voted leave.
Sorry but you really are quite the transparent fool sometimes. But go on, dig your heals in further. I'll leave you to it.
BillyShears
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That's where the problem lies - suggesting a vote to leave was condoning racism. It's not. It just happens to also be how many racists voted. Should they NOT have voted leave, because the racists were going to?
It's about a point of view. My point of view is that anyone who voted to leave condoned the racist campaign which mobilised enough people to win the vote. It's that simple All these leavers who are complaining about what I'm posting need to face up to the fact that without the hundreds of thousands of stupid bigoted people who voted like them they would never have gotten their wish. If I needed the support of tens of thousands of people who I despised I'd probably look at why I needed their support and how my own personal agenda may not be what's best for the country at large.
BillyShears
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Sorry but you really are quite the transparent fool sometimes. But go on, dig your heals in further. I'll leave you to it.
It's okay. In the interest of balance long before this discussion my opinion was you're a bigoted fool who fits right in in Switzerland.
dronefromsector7G
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Comedy gold this from BS.
Shoulder to shoulder with racists. Condoning racism or being racist. Mobilising voters.
Shoulder to shoulder with racists. Condoning racism or being racist. Mobilising voters.
ianw16
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Fuck off I have seen that cartoon - there were talking mammoths and everything !!!
Nah, probably set in that part of the EU we now call southern France - Britain was a cold, miserable wasteland, unfit for human habitation...............
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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There were, no doubt, obviously many people who saw it as being about democracy. But you cannot have a campaign fuelled by hate and then be surprised when a few of the 'winners' start to behave like animals. All the ills of this country cannot be laid at the door of people who've come here to work. By all means slate the EU and it's massive bureaucracy, it's unelected officials, it's furthering of integration of governments. But if it is made to be about European people the game is well and truly up. Britain is open for business? Who the fuck with?So racist and greed then anyone who voted leave.
And what about those who saw it as a referendum about sovereign democracy? Oh yeah that's a good message so couldn't possibly be attributed to anyone who voted leave.
Sorry but you really are quite the transparent fool sometimes. But go on, dig your heals in further. I'll leave you to it.
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lazerblue
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long before this vote an old english gentleman was beaten to a pulp by a gang of asians in oldham and he wasnt the only oneOh it does but there are no reports of Poles daubing offensive slogans on British peoples homes and none of an old English gentleman being verbally abused by some Chinese kids in the street.
FanchesterCity
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It's about a point of view. My point of view is that anyone who voted to leave condoned the racist campaign which mobilised enough people to win the vote. It's that simple All these leavers who are complaining about what I'm posting need to face up to the fact that without the hundreds of thousands of stupid bigoted people who voted like them they would never have gotten their wish. If I needed the support of tens of thousands of people who I despised I'd probably look at why I needed their support and how my own personal agenda may not be what's best for the country at large.
I'm ALMOST inclined to a agree, but I don't think they condoned it.
I think it's more a case of some of the leave campaign played on immigration knowing full well it would attract the racist vote too.
And whilst Farage wasn't 'officially' part of the leave campaign, I don't think the leave campaign went out of their way too much to distance themselves from him either. I think they notionally employed the 'unofficial' status, but enjoyed the benefits of the UKIP campaign too.
It's almost certainly true that the leave campaign benefitted from the votes of some racists (but was it to the tune of millions? I'm not so sure). Regardless, you can't blame leavers for that. You can't blame sensible leavers who just voted to leave, and you can't claim they condoned racists.
We absolutely shouldn't brush the racists under the carpet though - we have to acknowledge there's plenty about, and they aren't all far right extremists.
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