Racist incidents on the rise?

[steviemc]

For my own opinion the only good thing that has come out of this, racists or not the working class people have had a voice and the lack of control on immigration Europe wide can no longer continue. I still think the working class have shot themselves in the foot but that's why I'm a Remainer.

Except...it wasn't just the working class that voted out. Any more untruths?

 

[jay_mcfc]

Except...it wasn't just the working class that voted out. Any more untruths?

Durrr, I am talking about the working classes, predominantly those in the north. I doubt the middle class pensioner in St Ives who voted out will be affected too much.

 

[nmc]

Durrr, I am talking about the working classes, predominantly those in the north. I doubt the middle class pensioner in St Ives who voted out will be affected too much.

Maybe they will - Cornwall like Wales were a significant benificiary of EU funds so they have a huge hole in their local economy! Turkey's and Christmas?

 

[jay_mcfc]

Maybe they will - Cornwall like Wales were a significant benificiary of EU funds so they have a huge hole in their local economy! Turkey's and Christmas?

Yep, I read about that, in Yorkshire too. It's also quite amazing that people keep spouting this £350m to the EU every week figure yet they literally can't see what the EU have done for them in their own towns and cities.

 

[BobKowalski]

Thanks for the compliment. You're not too dumb yourself. ;-)

Of course it makes me sick the crap The Daily Mail & The Sun regularly come out with, pandering to the basest instincts in society. Of course I can see it. Apart from the fact he plays for City, is it any coincidence that Sterling gets a load of shit when the racist Vardy, Kane, Rooney, Lallana & Henderson get none? But the campaign didn't create these racists; they were there all along. It's come as a shock to the wider UK but the Jewish community gets pretty much the same thing every time Israel bombs Gaza and there's all sorts of hysterical articles in the media.

But these papers just feed what's already there; they don't create it. But it's also a fact that many people voted to leave who weren't motivated by racist beliefs. You can also be concerned about the impact of immigration, with ever greater numbers of people needing access to services that have already been cut to the bone, without being racist.

I would disagree that the media doesn't help create it. The media has nurtured and grown what is undeniably present and has to take responsibility for its part in this growth. The Government also used the immigrant argument to shift blame away from cuts in services and its austerity program. The media had a double whammy in bashing the EU and immigrants as it ran cover for the Tories and have been doing it for years until it seeps into the national consciousness.

It's like the constant bashing of the Human Rights Act. Incredibly there are people, usually Brexiteers, who do not want to have their Human Rights protected because the 'wrong sort end up being protected' or well 'Europe' something, something. Well duh. It's called the Human Rights Act not the 'People I like and approve of' Act (ie no Muslims and brown people). And yeah ok I think these people are fucking bigoted idiots and I can't get round the fact that the bigoted idiots I know all voted Leave. Maybe it's just a coincidence or maybe I don't get to meet the right sort of bigot. Who knows.

Anyway as I look forward to the years and years of endless negotiations on our 'exit' and the inevitable drag on the economy the uncertainty will bring - oh and not to mention the rest of the EU countries picking off little chunks of our economy a piece at a time - I will provide one little irony in all this. My income is all in US Dollars so here's a toast for the Brexiteers for making me in the short term a lot better off. Cheers my brave yeoman of England you dropped a huge bollock on Thursday but I appreciate the income boost.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I don't mind about getting something back. What I do mind is being told don't worry everything will be fine and you'll thank us later when you have no idea of my situation.

But I might not be as motivated by self interest as you think. My number one worry in Europe at the moment is the rise of fascism and to me the break up of the EU could put us all in a very dangerous place.

I don't share your worries but if they're real to you then obviously I hope they never come to fruition.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Yep, I read about that, in Yorkshire too. It's also quite amazing that people keep spouting this £350m to the EU every week figure yet they literally can't see what the EU have done for them in their own towns and cities.

You don't understand the maths do you?
The areas that are net beneficiaries are funded by the uk via the eu. The U.K. As a whole sends more to Brussels than it gets back. These are facts.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

But I might not be as motivated by self interest as you think. My number one worry in Europe at the moment is the rise of fascism and to me the break up of the EU could put us all in a very dangerous place.

Do you not think that this has a lot to do with the EU and the fact that people feel powerless? The Nazis rose to power because the Germans were suffering financial austerity and felt outside powers were the cause of their problems. When people feel down-trodden, they don't usually turn to the political centre.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I agree with Gelsons Dad. Although I don't necessarily agree exit is the right choice.

Many leavers don't see it as biting the hand that feeds them. They don't see it as the EU giving them charity money, they only see it as money that the UK government could have provided directly without doing a round trip to the EU and back again.

Of course, there's a counter argument that when enough people invest in a bank, they don't just get their money back, they get it with interest too, thanks to pooling their money.
Now, nobody's claiming we necessarily get more hard cash back, but obviously, the whole idea is that we're seeing a net benefit from paying our subs. Admittedly, that's a matter for much debate if there actually IS a net benefit.

Regardless, I digress. Those people voting to leave think they could get the same funding direct from the UK.

 

[stony]

I agree with your comment regarding the usage of cash, but please don't be taken in by an immigrant 'per head' figure. Do you seriously, honestly, I mean hand on heart, believe that anybody on this planet of ours can realistically calcuate such an ever changing figure. Particular without having open access to the movement of money from the UK overseas and vice-versa? Anybody remotely serious about economics would refrain from quoting such spurious nonsense.

One of the biggest arguments for the leave campaign was immigration and the amount of money they cost. If it can't be calculated why are so many people willing to believe that they actually cost us money and we should get rid? Your argument works for both sides.

 

[Blue Haze]

Can someone explain to a foreigner why some people in British dislike Poles? Never heard of them doing anything to anyone. Almost like Jews, disliked for no apparent reason.

 

[jay_mcfc]

You don't understand the maths do you?
The areas that are net beneficiaries are funded by the uk via the eu. The U.K. As a whole sends more to Brussels than it gets back. These are facts.

Shit no, I thought we got free money from them? My bad, I should have mentioned the £350m figure...Oh wait...

 

[stony]

Can someone explain to a foreigner why British people dislike Poles? Never heard of them doing anything to anyone. Almost like Jews, disliked for no apparent reason.

I don't dislike them, use to have a few as neighbours and stand outside smoking with them. There isn't a logical reason to dislike them, only racist idiots dislike them.

 

[PragueBlue]

Can someone explain to a foreigner why British people dislike Poles? Never heard of them doing anything to anyone. Almost like Jews, disliked for no apparent reason.

British people don't dislike Poles.

 

[FanchesterCity]

One of the biggest arguments for the leave campaign was immigration and the amount of money they cost. If it can't be calculated why are so many people willing to believe that they actually cost us money and we should get rid? Your argument works for both sides.

Because it means our lack of prosperity isn't our fault - it's somebody else's - the immigrants - and getting rid of them will make things better.
Not a difficult sell to a large number of disenchanted

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Billy hasn't called you or the 17 million racists. He said that if he had voted leave, a campaign ran on xenophobia, he would understand that there would be a feeling of racism attached to that decision. You would have to be ridiculously naive to think otherwise bearing in mind who the face of the campaign was.

All this playing the reverse racism card from the outers is hilarious. You all know the difference between winning and losing the referendum was out and out xenophobia. That's not saying 17 million are, but enough were to win the campaign. This is 100% down to the media and it's right wing ownership. The working class of this country have been conned it's they that will feel it the worst.

Exactly, if Nick Griffin was a prominent member of the leave campaign I'd like to think they would have been soundly beaten. He wasn't, Ukip and Farage however were and these people are the nearest you're average BNP voter has to their personal ideology. There were enough of these neanderthals to elect Bnp MEP's across northern England just a few years ago. They exist and they will have voted leave and voteleave bluemooners can stick they're fingers in their ears and say lalala as long as they like. They got in bed with these people and in doing so denied my daughter the freedoms they've enjoyed for decades and for that I will never forgive them

 

[jay_mcfc]

Do you not think that this has a lot to do with the EU and the fact that people feel powerless? The Nazis rose to power because the Germans were suffering financial austerity and felt outside powers were the cause of their problems. When people feel down-trodden, they don't usually turn to the political centre.

Very possibly but those same people should be looking at their own governments closer to home. The EU has become a scapegoat for many people. Who knows what will happen with the rise of fascist parties but whatever the reason there's a very dangerous precedent being set and the problem is becoming very real.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Because it means our lack of prosperity isn't our fault - it's somebody else's - the immigrants - and getting rid of them will make things better.
Not a difficult sell to a large number of disenchanted

Remind you of any specific time in history?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Very possibly but those same people should be looking at their own governments closer to home. The EU has become a scapegoat for many people. Who knows what will happen with the rise of fascist parties but whatever the reason there's a very dangerous precedent being set and the problem is becoming very real.

The problem is that you've got professional politicians running plays from a playbook who are even further from the man in the street than national politicians and aren't remotely accountable. It's going to get worse as the Euro slowly sinks into the mud. I'm convinced this is why they want an EU army, so they can deploy it on the streets of Athens or Lisbon.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Remind you of any specific time in history?

ALL of history my friend, ALL of it.

and yes, I know precisely what you're referring to!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Can someone explain to a foreigner why British people dislike Poles? Never heard of them doing anything to anyone. Almost like Jews, disliked for no apparent reason.

They commit that dastardly crime of working hard!

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Can someone explain to a foreigner why British people dislike Poles? Never heard of them doing anything to anyone. Almost like Jews, disliked for no apparent reason.

No issues with Poles from anyone I know. My lad has loads of Polish workmates and travels to Poland with them.
Only know one Polish couple myself and they're dedicated, hard working, family people with a great grab of the language and humour.
On a side note, the Poles have been here for many a year. Notably since WW2, when we we're guilty of dropping the rest of them from a great height into Stalins lap.