Paul Pogba

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shaiomarali said:
This argument that Pogba shouldn't be measured by his Euro performance as a DM is tiring. Just look at his Juve form for the past 4 years. 8 goals for each of the last two seasons, 7 in 2014 and 5 in 2013. His assists are on average per those 4 seasons at 5.25. In 2015 he had 3 assists! Even di Maria when he was at the swamp had 19 assists. And he is an attacking threat at £100m? That's laughable. Suarez at 30+ goals is an attacking threat.

A midfielder who has averaged 7 goals per season with an assist stat when comparing with other AMs are actually below average, is £50m at most.
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Seria A standard is terrible though.
Juve are the only good side and have a free run at the league.
Both Milan teams have turned into a joke
Roma have gervinho dzeko and Napoli ain't world beaters.
Fernandinho or nasri could have better stats then pogba in that juve team in seria A in its current state
 
Ashleymcduff said:
Seria A standard is terrible though.
Juve are the only good side and have a free run at the league.
Both Milan teams have turned into a joke
Roma have gervinho dzeko and Napoli ain't world beaters.
Fernandinho or nasri could have better stats then pogba in that juve team in seria A in its current state
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Better we leave Bonnuci then
 
Bonnuci is a very very good defender much better then we have.
He's reading of the game and passing ability is first class
 
My opinion on Pogba hasn't altered one bit from this time last year, when we were supposedly in for him. I think the guy is class and unfortunately he'll improve them hugely, if he does go there.

Where I do have slightly "blue tinted specs" is I believe if he goes there, it'll only be for 3 years and I think he knows this as does his agent.
If we were in for him, I believe it would be for the long term and again I think his agent would have known that also!

Where both clubs differ and the proof is in the pudding with Aguero, Silva, Toure and a lesser extent Tevez, is we have every intention of keeping our true world class players for as long as possible. Not just getting them on a 3 year stop off. United for want of a better phrase are a selling club, they know it and more importantly so do players and the likes of Madrid!

I even think Madrid could be sat back now hoping the kid ends up at United, safe in the knowledge that they've got an excellent opportunity of bagging him in a few years time, when he's proven himself even more. If he were coming to us, they along with Barca wouldn't be sitting so comfortably.
 
Lomas has a lob on said:
My opinion on Pogba hasn't altered one bit from this time last year, when we were supposedly in for him. I think the guy is class and unfortunately he'll improve them hugely, if he does go there.

Where I do have slightly "blue tinted specs" is I believe if he goes there, it'll only be for 3 years and I think he knows this as does his agent.
If we were in for him, I believe it would be for the long term and again I think his agent would have known that also!

Where both clubs differ and the proof is in the pudding with Aguero, Silva, Toure and a lesser extent Tevez, is we have every intention of keeping our true world class players for as long as possible. Not just getting them on a 3 year stop off. United for want of a better phrase are a selling club, they know it and more importantly so do players and the likes of Madrid!

I even think Madrid could be sat back now hoping the kid ends up at United, safe in the knowledge that they've got an excellent opportunity of bagging him in a few years time, when he's proven himself even more. If he were coming to us, they along with Barca wouldn't be sitting so comfortably.
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Very much doubt that. This is a career move. If he does well at the rags they will value him higher than what they paid for him. So unless we start seeing £150m+ fees then I can see him moving in 3 years unless he runs his contract down.
 
johnmc said:
But Pogba is no better what we have then?
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I watch a lot of seria A for my work and I must say my opinion is the same last year when we were in for him.
He will not guarantee you titles or push into the world class bracket or make us challenge barca Bayern and real.

I'd rather have a prime yaya or Fernandinho in the our midfield then him at them moment.
Not saying he won't became world class as can't predict the future but me personally would rather have thaigo or Kroos in lite midfield
 
Pogba will sit down with his agent after Euro 2016 to review his many options only to find no Champions League clubs are actually interested. So its stay where you are and be grateful or head off to the Europa League with the scum. Just maybe his agent has over played his hand here - will still make a fortune but his client isn't being best served. Going to the scum will be lucrative but he won't develop into the same player he would at Barca, Madrid or here (under Pep).
 
Ashleymcduff said:
Seria A standard is terrible though.
Juve are the only good side and have a free run at the league.
Both Milan teams have turned into a joke
Roma have gervinho dzeko and Napoli ain't world beaters.
Fernandinho or nasri could have better stats then pogba in that juve team in seria A in its current state
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Exactly. A point I made in my post before this. If a player is averaging 8 goals, 5.25 a season in a league where they always runaway with it what with Tevez and Pirlo a few years back and Vidal, etc, jury's still out on how he fares here in the more competitive PL. Pogba is a player who is brilliant in flashes like jay jay okocha but at the end of the season, AMs like Silva who scores more and assists more are what matters.

Compare him with Silva in a complete season:

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Lomas has a lob on said:
My opinion on Pogba hasn't altered one bit from this time last year, when we were supposedly in for him. I think the guy is class and unfortunately he'll improve them hugely, if he does go there.

Where I do have slightly "blue tinted specs" is I believe if he goes there, it'll only be for 3 years and I think he knows this as does his agent.
If we were in for him, I believe it would be for the long term and again I think his agent would have known that also!

Where both clubs differ and the proof is in the pudding with Aguero, Silva, Toure and a lesser extent Tevez, is we have every intention of keeping our true world class players for as long as possible. Not just getting them on a 3 year stop off. United for want of a better phrase are a selling club, they know it and more importantly so do players and the likes of Madrid!

I even think Madrid could be sat back now hoping the kid ends up at United, safe in the knowledge that they've got an excellent opportunity of bagging him in a few years time, when he's proven himself even more. If he were coming to us, they along with Barca wouldn't be sitting so comfortably.
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Where do you get the idea that Utd are a selling club from? I don't see that at all.
 
Ashleymcduff said:
I watch a lot of seria A for my work and I must say my opinion is the same last year when we were in for him.
He will not guarantee you titles or push into the world class bracket or make us challenge barca Bayern and real.

I'd rather have a prime yaya or Fernandinho in the our midfield then him at them moment.
Not saying he won't became world class as can't predict the future but me personally would rather have thaigo or Kroos in lite midfield
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He would improve our midfield right away. But you are also buying the potential. Where were Yaya and Fern at 22 years old? Would you have bought them at 22 years of age with Hindsight of what they are now and have been for the last few years?

The climb down on this board is laughable. When we were in for him there were some doubters granted but it was easily an 80/20 split in favour of buying him. Now it's a total reversal.
 
shaiomarali said:
Exactly. A point I made in my post before this. If a player is averaging 8 goals, 5.25 a season in a league where they always runaway with it what with Tevez and Pirlo a few years back and Vidal, etc, jury's still out on how he fares here in the more competitive PL. Pogba is a player who is brilliant in flashes like jay jay okocha but at the end of the season, AMs like Silva who scores more and assists more are what matters.
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It's not a great point though is it. Vidals numbers in serie A weren't that different to Pogbas. Pogba is 22. He is easily ahead of most great midfielders at the same age.
 
johnmc said:
He would improve our midfield right away. But you are also buying the potential. Where were Yaya and Fern at 22 years old? Would you have bought them at 22 years of age with Hindsight of what they are now and have been for the last few years?

The climb down on this board is laughable. When we were in for him there were some doubters granted but it was easily an 80/20 split in favour of buying him. Now it's a total reversal.
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If you look at my posts I've always been against it.

Don't think he will ever win ballon d'or or be a Ronaldo / bale sort of improver he won't improve that much.

I've watched him 50 plus times on Sunday's in seria A and can't have him being world class.

Yes he's better then Fernand Delph and yaya atm doesn't take a genius to work that out.

You sign him this summer is doesn't guarantee you the title is all I'm saying.
 
johnmc said:
He would improve our midfield right away. But you are also buying the potential. Where were Yaya and Fern at 22 years old? Would you have bought them at 22 years of age with Hindsight of what they are now and have been for the last few years?

The climb down on this board is laughable. When we were in for him there were some doubters granted but it was easily an 80/20 split in favour of buying him. Now it's a total reversal.
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There could be a good reason for this.








WE ALL SAW HOW BANG AVERAGE HE WAS IN THE EURO`S
 
johnmc said:
He would improve our midfield right away. But you are also buying the potential. Where were Yaya and Fern at 22 years old? Would you have bought them at 22 years of age with Hindsight of what they are now and have been for the last few years?

The climb down on this board is laughable. When we were in for him there were some doubters granted but it was easily an 80/20 split in favour of buying him. Now it's a total reversal.
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We were supposed to buy him for €80million, but opinions I recalled began to change when he was valuated at €100m. Currently he's now at €120m with and extra €25m for his agent. He's a £50m player and for that value we should be in for him Just because of his potential. But at twice the price at £105m excluding agent fees and his wage demands? there are better options elsewhere.
 
Ashleymcduff said:
If you look at my posts I've always been against it.

Don't think he will ever win ballon d'or or be a Ronaldo / bale sort of improver he won't improve that much.

I've watched him 50 plus times on Sunday's in seria A and can't have him being world class.

Yes he's better then Fernand Delph and yaya atm doesn't take a genius to work that out.

You sign him this summer is doesn't guarantee you the title is all I'm saying.
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Not saying he guarantees you anything. Not may players if any can. But to say you can't see him improving much is just guess work. How can you say that? As stated earlier where were Yaya and Fern at 22? If you had hindsight would you buy those 2 at 22 years of age if you had the chance?
 
shaiomarali said:
We were supposed to buy him for €80million, but opinions I recalled began to change when he was valuated at €100m. Currently he's now at €120m with and extra €25m for his agent. He's a £50m player and for that value we should be in for him Just because of his potential. But at twice the price at £105m excluding agent fees and his wage demands? there are better options elsewhere.
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Fees don't matter though?
 
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