Sam Allardyce

[SpiritofBurnden]

I'm not obsessed by it at all, and winning 1 trophy doesnt make you a winner in my eyes, but more of a winner than BFS.

...but you'd give Eddie Howe an eight year contract on the basis of him winning the Football League Championship.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

...but you'd give Eddie Howe an eight year contract on the basis of him winning the Football League Championship.

No I wouldnt and I clearly said I wouldnt give him an 8 year contract, but I'd rather employ him and set a plan in motion for the future than BFS, who will no doubt be sacked in 4 years and we will be going through this all again, probably employing someone who is going to play a completely different way. The idea behind Howe or another younger manager would be to give him time and set an infrastructure and a system of playing that can be implemented across all age groups.

If there was an international league system, and we needed to stay up, I think BFS or Pulis would be good options, however there isnt and those 2 have a certain skill set but have no international experience as a player or manager, have no success in winning anything, little to no tournament football experience (bar a couple of mediocre runs in the Uefa league) and play god awful football to watch. We will be tougher to beat I suppose and we might not lose to Iceland, thats how low the bar has been set.

 

[Pell]

Its a realistic appointment, that reflects where England are at the moment.

 

[SpiritofBurnden]

No I wouldnt and I clearly said I wouldnt give him an 8 year contract, but I'd rather employ him and set a plan in motion for the future

I'd rather we had a proven winner in charge of England, failing that a young up and coming manager who we can stick with for 4 or more tournaments

'4 or more tournaments' is a minimum of eight years with or without a contract.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

'4 or more tournaments' is a minimum of eight years with or without a contract.

A young up and coming manager would provide consistency of a style of play at least, that could be implemented across the teams, showing some sort of plan, I wouldnt give him an 8 year contract but would hope for 8 years in the job. The FA have jumped from one style of manager to another, in successive appointments, no consistency, no real plan and basically admitting they have got it wrong time and time again by appointing different styles each time. Eddie Howe has won more in the game than the uber experienced, safe hands of fat Sam.

You think that not appointing the very best that you can is a good idea and appointing a proven none winner is better? As I said in previous posts, the FA is probably the richest in the world but has settled for not even second best in appointing fat Sam.

Clearly state wouldnt give him an 8 year contract.

In anycase I wouldnt go for Howe as my first choice, I would rather someone with international experience, a proven track record of winning trophies, someone with tournament experience as a player or manager and preferably that would be someone young for the reasons I laid out above.

 

[SpiritofBurnden]

Clearly state wouldnt give him an 8 year contract.

You'd just 'hope' that he'd hang around for eight years without a contract?

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

You'd just 'hope' that he'd hang around for eight years without a contract?

Ridiculous, I would give him a 4 year contract and hope to extend that afterwards and I repeat I wouldnt employ Howe, i'd just rather him to BFS as he at least he has youth on his side. For me a proven winner means someone who has a track record of winning trophies, not just 1 pot like McClown or Martinez who you've tried to insinuate I would employ. I wouldnt, I wouldnt employ an Englishman as the candidates are so poor.

We arent going to agree, you as a Bolton fan, clearly think BFS is the answer to England's problems, I dont.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Clearly state wouldnt give him an 8 year contract.

In anycase I wouldnt go for Howe as my first choice, I would rather someone with international experience, a proven track record of winning trophies, someone with tournament experience as a player or manager and preferably that would be someone young for the reasons I laid out above.

Who are you talking about? Every club in Europe would be after the chap you're describing!

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Who are you talking about? Every club in Europe would be after the chap you're describing!

There are a lot of people who fit those criteria, if you want an examples, who have also managed in the PL so can speak English as well, Mancini and Koeman spring to mind, despite not winning anything as managers have international experience and tournament experience Bilic and Pochettino, despite being a bit older Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelloti. That is without even looking at those who havent managed in the PL.

BFS fits none of the criteria I would look for.

As I said yesterday, you think he is the answer, I dont, is there anymore to add?? I will be happy to be proved wrong, and getting to a QF and beating Iceland isnt success in my view but seems what the FA are aiming for.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

There are a lot of people who fit those criteria, if you want an examples, who have also managed in the PL so can speak English as well, Mancini and Koeman spring to mind, despite not winning anything as managers have international experience and tournament experience Bilic and Pochettino, despite being a bit older Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelloti. That is without even looking at those who havent managed in the PL.

BFS fits none of the criteria I would look for.

As I said yesterday, you think he is the answer, I dont, is there anymore to add?? I will be happy to be proved wrong, and getting to a QF and beating Iceland isnt success in my view but seems what the FA are aiming for.

Why would any of those managers take the poisoned chalice that is the England job? Nobody of any note is interested in international management as it's no longer the pinnacle of the game (if it ever was) unlike cricket and rugby union.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Why would any of those managers take the poisoned chalice that is the England job? Nobody of any note is interested in international management as it's no longer the pinnacle of the game (if it ever was) unlike cricket and rugby union.

You asked for examples I gave some, did the FA even try or was it a choice of 3 they shortlisted throughout. I think most I listed will be on less than Roy was or Sam is on, so they would consider it.

 

[Cityfan]

No manager has got England to a final in 50 years so predicting Allardyce will fail is pretty obvious. That he will do worse than others will not be known as you can't give two people the identical job at the same time.
He looks as well qualified as anyone remotely likely to take the job, I hope he does well but suspect he won't as we won't have an outstanding squad and the best players will probably be knackered after an intense premier season when it comes to the tournaments. See Kane and Alli.

 

[Robinho's Subbuteo]

These people saying England should have a manager with a much more successful track record because "we're England" need to have a reality check. England are the international equivalent of a mid table team so, for me, Big Sam is probably a very shrewd choice.

Besides, most people couldn't name the manager of Brazil, Argentina, Portugal, Columbia etc without Googling it and clearly Wilmots, Deschamps and the new Spain Manager Lopetegui were all world class managers when they were appointed ... not.

 

[Champions again in 2012]

Just seen this on the BBC Website

Sir Alex 'influenced' Allardyce appointment – Davies

Football

Posted at09:12
Former Football Association director David Davies believes Sir Alex Ferguson has influenced the appointment of Sam Allardyce as the new England manager, because of his relationship with former Manchester United chief executive David Gill.


Is there any part of the game that David Gill does not hold influence over - does he never stop and consider conflicts of interest. The man who apparently wrote the FFP rules and guess what, they were just what Man United needed.

Also got to remember that Slur Alex also recommended David Moyes as his successor and from a City perspective it was spectacularly successful if somewhat short lived - lets hope Sam's appointment is less disastrous - a Scotsman allegedly influencing the England Manager appointment - really!!!

 

[SpiritofBurnden]

There are a lot of people who fit those criteria, if you want an examples, who have also managed in the PL so can speak English as well, Mancini and Koeman spring to mind, despite not winning anything as managers have international experience and tournament experience Bilic and Pochettino, despite being a bit older Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelloti. That is without even looking at those who havent managed in the PL.

So you want a 'proven winner' who has never won anything?

Hiddink was sacked when Turkey failed to qualify for Euro 2012 and left the Holland job after they'd lost to Iceland in failing to qualify for Euro 2016.

 

[Steve68]

It doesn't really matter who it is. We have been largely shite internationally since 1970. Pep wouldn't be able to change that. At least Big Sam putting his boot up a few arses will give us something to laugh about. And it means we face a Wee Davey team in our first match.

Wins all round I say.

 

[paulchapo]

Fat Sam couldn't do any worse than Woy. We have not had a decent team since that could go toe to toe with the best sides since Euro 96. We need a manager who makes us hard to play against and organised, then hope our areas where we have some quality will win us the game. Portugal were rank but won the Euro's against all the odds so it can be done.

 

[levets]

Confirmed. Sunderland 'angry'

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Just seen this on the BBC Website

Sir Alex 'influenced' Allardyce appointment – Davies

Football

Posted at09:12
Former Football Association director David Davies believes Sir Alex Ferguson has influenced the appointment of Sam Allardyce as the new England manager, because of his relationship with former Manchester United chief executive David Gill.


Is there any part of the game that David Gill does not hold influence over - does he never stop and consider conflicts of interest. The man who apparently wrote the FFP rules and guess what, they were just what Man United needed.

Also got to remember that Slur Alex also recommended David Moyes as his successor and from a City perspective it was spectacularly successful if somewhat short lived - lets hope Sam's appointment is less disastrous - a Scotsman allegedly influencing the England Manager appointment - really!!!

Although it was claimed by David Davies, who's not the most reliable source.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Mission Impossible for BFS, players are a Bag O'Shite !!