The Boxing thread

Al Haymon is the guy who is benefiting from having the likes of Frampton and Selby I heard before he was interested in doing shows over in the UK. Also he would offer the fights to all tv stations just like in the US. So you could have a fight on BT , BBC , ITV , C5 AND C4. Just think Gary Russell Jnr wants to move up weight to have a rematch with Lomanchenko. Who in theory could drop back down too. Put it this way its a good division to be involved in. Al Haymon could go either way. He has the champions to do a big fight. Just think for Selby I think he needs another fight in September as going in without 1 under his belt is the wrong way to go. So hopefully he can get in a quick defence then go for Frampton at the end of the year.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
I don't think it's a tough call at all, the heart is ruling the head I'm afraid.... Unless GGG has a complete stinker then he'll bury brook..

Brook won't be able to avoid the big punches for 12 rounds, which he'd have to do to stand any chance at all, coupled with outboxing him!
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There's no doubt Brook would need the
fight of his life to do it.
 
taleofbluehalves said:
Who you think will win out of Brook and GGG? Tough one to call. Heart says
Brook, head says GGG.
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Golovkin via stoppage in about 7 rounds IMO

Golovkin has the reputation of being a huge puncher which is true to a certain extent but his actual boxing ability is sometimes overlooked. He has fantastic footwork and range which he seems to find within the first 30 seconds of a fight. You dont win over 300 amateur fights by just being a big puncher!Only Lomachenko has a better amateur record really.

His jab is second to none (see the Lemieux fight) and will use that if he feels that Brook has the power to hurt him.
 
leighton said:
Yeah i get the odd bit of info from the camp from time to time regarding Carl and it seems bang on the money. I think he has the big fights lined up. And Carl isnt with a big time promotional group like Matchroom or Frank Warren or Mick Hennessy all with Cyclone it shows that even the small promotional companies can get there fighters the big fights. His link up with Al Haymon too is priceless.
He can now pick his fights. I know they want the Selby fight next but they want it in Belfast but with both of them linked to Al Haymon it could go to the US. I think he Frampton will have many offers to mull over in the coming weeks for a fight at the end of the year. I think he only wants to fight up until 34 so its refreshing to hear him wanting to be in the big fights. I wouldnt be shocked if it is a unification fight next with Selby or 1 of the other champions. Or if Gary Russel moves up a fight with Warrington for the vacant title that Russel leaves behind. Carl or Selby could go and dominate this division. Also a rematch with LEO would be a big fight again.

As for Quigg i think he needs to focus on the Super Bamtamweight division see how he is when he comes back in the ring. Moving up Quigg isnt the greatest boxer in the world a come forward fighter. Carl has the ability to counter punch and coasts some rounds also he has some good punch power to stop fighters in there tracks. Leo has a good chin as does Carl but with everything Carl looking poor in his last few fights got him the big money fights with Quigg and Santa Cruz both fighters he was chasing for years. I can honestly see Sky all over Carl they dropped a bollock by not showing this fight as the Hearns hate McGugian and Carl but Sky will want to show a lot more of Carl in the coming months and years.
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Spoke to one of Frampton's mates at JFK, showed us some great pics back at the hotel after a full day in the boozer. Carl put 5k behind the bar for the fans so fair play. This kid reckons the Selby fight will be in Manchester, probably November.
 
I like Golovkin but I really think people try and pad his credentials too much, it's not that he has no skill clearly he does but he isn't popular because he's shown technical brilliance or ringsmanship like a Mayweather, Ward or a Rigondeux he's nowhere near them on either of those attributes... it really is his power and his knockouts without them we simply wouldn't be talking about P4P at all IMO. Also when Lemieux is the best fighter you've beat you can't really say you have nothing to prove(and this fight will just prove what we already know he's too powerful for someone like Brook), he will catch Brook eventually by closing off the ring and going to the body to slow him up enough to start landing much in the same way Canelo did against Khan. Also even if his amateur record is impressive, it's bizarre to me we have a 36y.o fighter who people want to claim is P4P#1 and his amateur record is being used at all, that's the domain of early 20s fighters who you're making an argument they are just world level for never mind P4P.

Ward is back in action at the weekend can't say I'm that excited for that fight either though from what I've seen, we really need to see bigger fights being made for certain fighters nobody is being tested anymore. The Frampton fight was a nice treat at the weekend what a difference it makes.
 
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Metalartin said:
I like Golovkin but I really think people try and pad his credentials too much, it's not that he has no skill clearly he does but he isn't popular because he's shown technical brilliance or ringsmanship like a Mayweather, Ward or a Rigondeux he's nowhere near them on either of those attributes... it really is his power and his knockouts without them we simply wouldn't be talking about P4P at all IMO. Also when Lemieux is the best fighter you've beat you can't really say you have nothing to prove(and this fight will just prove what we already know he's too powerful for someone like Brook), he will catch Brook eventually by closing off the ring and going to the body to slow him up enough to start landing much in the same way Canelo did against Khan. Also even if his amateur record is impressive, it's bizarre to me we have a 36y.o fighter who people want to claim is P4P#1 and his amateur record is being used at all, that's the domain of early 20s fighters who you're making an argument they are just world level for never mind P4P.
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GGG was 34 in April i share the same b/day.
 
Yeah have to go with GGG but I think most he's gone in with have known they were going to get beat
I believe Brook believes he can pull it off having an unbeaten fighters mindset and that will make it a more interesting closer fight than many think
Brook will be the fastest most accurate puncher he's faced for along time so if he carries enough power up and is hurting GGG on the way in you never know
He's also 34 and not done that many rounds of late

Really looking forward to this one and would love to see Brook pull it off but I'll say GGG in 11
 
Metalartin said:
Yeh 34 my bad doesn't really change the point in any way though does it, he's mid 30s was my point and he's talked of almost as if he's a young pro.
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I get your point mate. Personally I think Canelo would beat GGG on point's because this fight dosnt look like happening any time some, and this will benefit Canelo imo.There again, i thought Cruz would beat Frampton on points. Still, there's no denying GGG is a class act and until recently i've blamed promoter's for chasing the cash, and rightly so. I do now honestly believe fighters such as Canelo are swerving this fight. He talked it up after the Khan fight but nothing since. He's made his coin so no need for this not to happen.
 
Yeah Adidas i heard stuff about another fight at the end of the year. But Carl wants to fight back in Belfast it was earlin 2015 when he last boxed in Belfast. I think they have many options to mull over before deciding the next fight. I think whatever fight makes Carl the biggest money he will go that way. May not be Selby next for some reason. Holding that fight for a big summer show would be great. Wouldnt be shocked to see both fighting on the same card in November early December leading into a late spring early summer fight with the pair. Feel the Oydessy Arena in Belfast isnt big enough Windsor Park in the summer time would be a huge stadium fight but i also feel that Lee isnt a big draw for that fight yet sadly. So whenever the fight happens it will be great for boxing in the UK and Ireland and we need fighters fighting the best in the division. ALso hearing that Selby might be spliting from Matchroom too, dont know how true that is.
 
Adidas Sharston said:
I get your point mate. Personally I think Canelo would beat GGG on point's because this fight dosnt look like happening any time some, and this will benefit Canelo imo.There again, i thought Cruz would beat Frampton on points. Still, there's no denying GGG is a class act and until recently i've blamed promoter's for chasing the cash, and rightly so. I do now honestly believe fighters such as Canelo are swerving this fight. He talked it up after the Khan fight but nothing since. He's made his coin so no need for this not to happen.
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Yeah I hope this fight earns GGG his own payday to be fair(although he is pretty popular he's got to be doing well for himself for his last few fights being HBOs main man at moment), I've no idea how much of a draw Brook is outside of the UK though to be honest.
 
Kell could be huge outside of the UK some tasty fights out there for him but he would have to do a stint in the US is kell willing to do that and build up his profile over there more. Only Kell and his team can answer that. I guess he is getting paid well by matchroom and thats stopping him from travelling regular.
 
Metalartin said:
Yeah I hope this fight earns GGG his own payday to be fair(although he is pretty popular he's got to be doing well for himself for his last few fights being HBOs main man at moment), I've no idea how much of a draw Brook is outside of the UK though to be honest.
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I think a catch weight at 158 would be fair for both fighters.Canelo fought Khan at 155 but is renowned for gaining the pounds come fight night. GGG weighed in at 159 in his last fight so don't see a problem regarding weight. Question is, would they both agree. Im a big fan of Canelo and love watching him fight, plus he's been in with the bigger names. I've changed my tune regarding Golovkin and dont think the problem is him not wanting the big fights, i think it's the other way rnd, i believe he'd fight anyone.
The Kell fight is great for both fighters, Kell needs a name after the Porter fight and it dosnt get much bigger than Golovkin, plus i can only remember GGG fighting outside the state's a few times so for your average boxing fan they will get to see the master at work. He fought Murray on CH5 in Monte Carlo but his fights are mainly on Boxnation and not Sky. Plus his fight on CH5 clashed with Fury on Sky, so will this time will get maximum exposure.

Money wise, Canelo & GGG are allegedly worth 20 mil + net each. Seems mad considering the age difference. I read that Canelo was paid a flat10 mil for his last fight against Khan. This didn't include his cut of the PPV rights that topped it up to between 12-15 large. Khan was allegedly paid a flat 6 mil but no cut of the tv money. This brings us back to GGG missing out because his opponents havnt been names that people really know hence the bigger tv deals. Is that GGG fault or is it that fighters don't want to fight him. Kell imo has nothing to lose, he will make top dollar and respect for taking the fight. Sadly for Kell i think he'll get a boxing lesson that night.
 
Regarding GGG its hard none of the major stars want anything to do with GGG. He has KO'd a lot of boxers and some of these guys he has KO'd had very good chins in my opinion. The likes of Martin Murray and Mat Macklin all have very good chins yet GGG kod both. Now for GGG if he doesnt get the Canelo fight which he wants people will always question how good he was. I can honestly see him fighting Canelo next hopefully a huge money offer is made to both and then GGG moving up to Super Middleweight and cleaning up the titles up there too beating Badou Jack , James DeGale and Ramirez but he needs the Canelo fight to happen big time. GGG may only have 3 years left in him.
 
I've got to admit I'm a huge GGG fanboy, but I honestly believe the only reason Lemiuex is the biggest name on his record because all the other top middleweights want nothing to do with him. Canelo, Jacobs, BJS all swerved him so he looked at the second tier fighters and then Eubank Jnr couldn't find his goolies to sign the contract. Fairplay to Kell for taking this fight hes getting paid well and no doubt in my mind he believes he can win but sadly he wont. The most disappointing thing is he wont go back to 147 now where things are getting tasty, Thurman-Porter-Spence-Garcia and potentially Crawford soon moving up (Also thing Vargas is a poor champion and would have been an easy 2nd belt for Kell), some great fights to be made but I think now hes going up to 160 hes going to settle back down at 154. Still some good fights to be made but I wonder how long Andrade, the Charlos and Lara are going to stick about before moving up to 160 themselves.
 
Adidas Sharston said:
I think a catch weight at 158 would be fair for both fighters.Canelo fought Khan at 155 but is renowned for gaining the pounds come fight night. GGG weighed in at 159 in his last fight so don't see a problem regarding weight. Question is, would they both agree. Im a big fan of Canelo and love watching him fight, plus he's been in with the bigger names. I've changed my tune regarding Golovkin and dont think the problem is him not wanting the big fights, i think it's the other way rnd, i believe he'd fight anyone.
The Kell fight is great for both fighters, Kell needs a name after the Porter fight and it dosnt get much bigger than Golovkin, plus i can only remember GGG fighting outside the state's a few times so for your average boxing fan they will get to see the master at work. He fought Murray on CH5 in Monte Carlo but his fights are mainly on Boxnation and not Sky. Plus his fight on CH5 clashed with Fury on Sky, so will this time will get maximum exposure.

Money wise, Canelo & GGG are allegedly worth 20 mil + net each. Seems mad considering the age difference. I read that Canelo was paid a flat10 mil for his last fight against Khan. This didn't include his cut of the PPV rights that topped it up to between 12-15 large. Khan was allegedly paid a flat 6 mil but no cut of the tv money. This brings us back to GGG missing out because his opponents havnt been names that people really know hence the bigger tv deals. Is that GGG fault or is it that fighters don't want to fight him. Kell imo has nothing to lose, he will make top dollar and respect for taking the fight. Sadly for Kell i think he'll get a boxing lesson that night.
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I think a lot of money for fights comes down to nationality and the money HBO provide. The US has a huge Mexican population that are crazy about any sports that includes some one from there country so Canelo is a cash cow as he is good as well.
Obviously GGG is great but he is from Kazakhstan and other than proper boxing fans he isnt going to draw in the numbers of viewers. The same with the British fighters, they hope to get big bids from the British TV companies to make the deal they pay worthwhile
 
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