Yeah I disagree with folk having GGG as p4p #1. He hasn't really beaten anyone above B- standard to be honest. I do think his ringmanship and balance is excellent though. He cuts off the ring perfectly and walks his opponents into constant danger. He has excellent footwork and is always balanced perfectly. None of those skills are as eye catching as the more athletic gifts of speed and what not, but I do think he is much much more than just power. He has some massively under rated abilities which I think are often over looked because of his power. It's just too bad he is wasting his prime beating up the Lemiuexs and the under sized Kell Brooks of the world. He should really be moving up and seeking challenges at 168. I've lost a lot of respect for him for even taking this fight. It's a shame because we should have had two evenly matches super fights involving Brook, Khan, Canelo and GGG, yet we are getting two joke shop fights.I like Golovkin but I really think people try and pad his credentials too much, it's not that he has no skill clearly he does but he isn't popular because he's shown technical brilliance or ringsmanship like a Mayweather, Ward or a Rigondeux he's nowhere near them on either of those attributes... it really is his power and his knockouts without them we simply wouldn't be talking about P4P at all IMO. Also when Lemieux is the best fighter you've beat you can't really say you have nothing to prove(and this fight will just prove what we already know he's too powerful for someone like Brook), he will catch Brook eventually by closing off the ring and going to the body to slow him up enough to start landing much in the same way Canelo did against Khan. Also even if his amateur record is impressive, it's bizarre to me we have a 36y.o fighter who people want to claim is P4P#1 and his amateur record is being used at all, that's the domain of early 20s fighters who you're making an argument they are just world level for never mind P4P.
Ward is back in action at the weekend can't say I'm that excited for that fight either though from what I've seen, we really need to see bigger fights being made for certain fighters nobody is being tested anymore. The Frampton fight was a nice treat at the weekend what a difference it makes.
Yeah I disagree with folk having GGG as p4p #1. He hasn't really beaten anyone above B- standard to be honest. I do think his ringmanship and balance is excellent though. He cuts off the ring perfectly and walks his opponents into constant danger. He has excellent footwork and is always balanced perfectly. None of those skills are as eye catching as the more athletic gifts of speed and what not, but I do think he is much much more than just power. He has some massively under rated abilities which I think are often over looked because of his power. It's just too bad he is wasting his prime beating up the Lemiuexs and the under sized Kell Brooks of the world. He should really be moving up and seeking challenges at 168. I've lost a lot of respect for him for even taking this fight. It's a shame because we should have had two evenly matches super fights involving Brook, Khan, Canelo and GGG, yet we are getting two joke shop fights.
You can't compare GGG to Floyd. Floyd moved from super featherweight to light middle throughout his career.No idea why you should think he should move up 8lb to super middle, he would be a lot shorter than most of the contenders, middle is the maximum he should go. FMJ moved up to a weight where he then failed to have the power to knock people out, he is better being a real undisputed champion as there are not many in boxing. There is no dominating boxer in SM to fight either now.
Gotta say, was impressed with Frampton. I actually had him losing the fight by 2 rounds although some of the rounds were incredibly close and very easily could have been scored the other way. I would love to see a rematch. It certainly wasn't a robbery and I can't really argue with anyone scoring it as a close win either way.
One thing that was clear was how much Frampton really needed to move up. He had much more in the tank than he had against Quigg and as a result, looked miles better.
Overall great performance and excited to see who he goes for next. Would like to see a Selby fight I think. Russell jr is a tough fight style wise given his speed and slickness, although if Frampton can put his foot down and make Russell work at a fast pace, who knows. I do think Selby is the way to go followed by maybe even a rematch with Santa Cruz or Quigg, followed by a fight with someone like Josh Warrington....if he is still knocking on the door in 12-18 months time. 3 very winnable and lucrative fights.
How do th Republic see Frampton Leighton? Just seen it on a boxing forum being suggested that Carl doesn't/won't get massive support as he from the North and the whole travelling Irish thing is over egged because of this.
Personally I thought it was very much like rugby union for the pads when it came to boxing, Ireland is all of Ireland.
You can't compare GGG to Floyd. Floyd moved from super featherweight to light middle throughout his career.
The reason GGG should think about moving up is simple. Two of his mandatories are pure garbage and the other is Daniel Jacobs. Jacobs would be half interesting. Failing that Eubank Jr and Saunders are the only things left for him given Canelo's reluctance. Despite Eubank's mouth, he has done very little to suggest he is a realistic threat to GGG. Saunders is clearly of similar standard, so I don't really see the challenge.
So, if he is wanting to chase greatness, he should be challenging himself, and his bigger challenges are at 168. De Gale and Ramirez are both challenges. Even Callum Smith or George Groves would be fairly interesting...at least on par with Eubank and Saunders, with the added threat - with them being naturally bigger. I'd even rather see him in with Abraham or Bute over Saunders to be honest, just to see how he deals with natural weight disadvantage (if it is even apparent). He's certainly not at a debilitating height disadvantage at 168. He's taller than Abraham, an inch shorter than Groves and 1.5 inch shorter than De Gale. Hardly a problem. There's only really Ramirez and Bute who have a few inches on him, but he's expecting Brook to deal with a similar disadvantage so it would be shame for him to be hypocritical about it.
Moving up is certainly less ridiculous than expecting Brook to put in a competitive display against him. Who cares about being an undisputed champion when the division is garbage? It's a sad state of affairs when the supposed p4p champions biggest wins are Lemieux, Rubio and Martin Murray.
@leighton I still think there's money to be made in a rematch with Quigg and I actually think a rematch would be great. Frampton would be the favourite but it would be good to see, especially considering how much the first fight caught fire over the last half. obviously Quigg needs to bounce back with a good win or two but there is definitely money to be made especially if the fight was on Sky Box Office as part of maybe an AJ card.
His other options hardly seem that lucrative really. He'd receive a bigger split of the purse against Santa Cruz in a rematch, but other than that, Rigo and Russell Jr are very difficult to win and also probably not very financially rewarding. I do think the Selby fight is a natural fight to make. I actually think a bit down the line, Josh Warrington at Elland Road is a very easy payday for someone with the profile of Frampton.
The fight did around 325,000 buys which isn't really bad for a Super-Bantamweight fight. AJ comes close to doubling those numbers, so I'd imagine a joint main-even card with Joshua fighting a voluntary or even a weakfish mandatory could still probably do around 700,000 buys, which on it's own will generate around £13m. Like I said earlier, it would depend on Quigg winning a fight or two beforehand, but for all we know, the picture could look very different in 12 months time. What if Frampton loses to Russell Jr or loses to Santa Cruz in a rematch? What if Quigg moves up and beats Selby? The fight suddenly becomes attractive again. Let's not forget that Frampton was hardly a decisive winner against Quigg. Quigg gave him some hairy moments, but ultimately waited too long to put any form of pressure on. I actually think it would be a great event over in Belfast, especially with AJ on the card.Look at the PPV numbers that Frampton v Quigg done if they were big then the fight could happen. No one cares for Quigg even if you put him in a rematch with Frampton who on the night was drained by the loss of weight. Also Hearn knows the numbers where bad for it so a rematch on PPV with Quigg is dead in the water. Carl has other offers than a rematch with Quigg what makes Quigg deserving of a rematch. Santa Cruz yeah i could see it but Quigg no. Quigg has to come back from the injury and fight at least 2 fights before getting in with Frampton. I think Carl can just go on and fight the bigger fights now than Quigg who was handed the title in the first place and never won it. Also is Quigg moving up?? I dont think he is and why would he deserve a rematch he got beaten in Manchester and was too scared to do anything for near enough 8 rounds.It was a bore fest Carl had to prove he is a exciting fighter a fight with Quigg will be like the last fight same result. Also Quigg if he moves up who out of the top 10 would he beat. He could have some big time fights if he wants them still at Super Bantamweight with Kid Galahad and even Jamie McDonald if he moves up. Both fights I think Quigg losses in my opinion.
As for the fight being on a AJ undercard you have no chance of it being on a AJ card money talks granted but if Hearn wants Frampton on a AJ card he will have to give Carl double the money he gave him for fighting Quigg. Carl still has the options opened to him on both sides of the Atlantic. As for Warrington in Leeds what makes you think Carl would fight Josh in Leeds when they could do somewhere in Belfast. Also thinks that Selby will do the Warrington fight then fight Carl early next year or the summer of next year. Could nearly see both guys boxing on the same card in the US against different fighters then meeting up later in the year. Carl named dropped Russell Jnr and Selby and the rematch I dont mind either way if he fights any of those 3 next. Also we dont know if he will have to have a mandatory fight first.
De Gale is no better than Dominic Wade, Marco Antonio Rubio and David Lemiuex? Are you sure?Ward moved out of SM because there were no good fights to be had. The optimum height for a SM is 6'1 to 6'2" so h would be giving a lot of reach to any good champion like Ward and Frotch who no longer bother there for a reason.
In England names like De Gale and Groves may be hyped up, but they are no better than who he is already beating and would not draw flies in the US. Don't believe Box Nation and Sky.
The fight did around 325,000 buys which isn't really bad for a Super-Bantamweight fight. AJ comes close to doubling those numbers, so I'd imagine a joint main-even card with Joshua fighting a voluntary or even a weakfish mandatory could still probably do around 700,000 buys, which on it's own will generate around £13m. Like I said earlier, it would depend on Quigg winning a fight or two beforehand, but for all we know, the picture could look very different in 12 months time. What if Frampton loses to Russell Jr or loses to Santa Cruz in a rematch? What if Quigg moves up and beats Selby? The fight suddenly becomes attractive again. Let's not forget that Frampton was hardly a decisive winner against Quigg. Quigg gave him some hairy moments, but ultimately waited too long to put any form of pressure on. I actually think it would be a great event over in Belfast, especially with AJ on the card.
I think you are seriously over-estimating Frampton's money earning potential. He only took home $500,000 from the Santa Cruz fight. He took home £1.5m plus a percentage of the PPV from the Quigg fight. A rematch with Santa Cruz isn't going to generate much more money than the first fight. Neither is a fight with Rigo or Russell jr (fights he has a slim chance of winning).
As for Warrington, I'm not even suggesting he deserves the shot, and I'm certainly not suggesting he is deserving of having the fight in his own backyard. However, I easily reckon he could get 20,000 - 25,000+ into Elland Road for the fight. It's a money maker and an easy nights work for Frampton.
How about don't believe HBO(or Showtime who are just as bad with their fighters) who are hyping up the peoples favorite as much as possible to capitalise on it while they can? Also take a good look how many champions we have it doesn't matter who draws flies in the US in terms of how good a fighter is... British fighters are proving it doesn't matter at all(De Gale may be hyped up but he is decent to be fair and Groves post Froch his doubters are the more vocal). Look at his record check out some of those fighters properly(hyped by HBO to make money no different than ours do for fighters on their own channel... remember the hype job Showtime did on Lucian Bute? They are way worse at hype than ours who at least attempt to show a little impartiality), GGG hasn't faced anyone on De Gale's or Grove's level, say what you want about Groves but I think he's on the road back under Shane McGuigan, in those Froch fights I saw a lot of potential along with some room for improvement but he was already better than David Lemieux who is capable but nothing special. Who else is there on his record even worth mentioning Martin Murray? He was the bigger man but he had a poor KO percentage in comparison(so not really much of a risk) and he isn't a slick fighter he's just a tough one that's likeable but always fallen a little short of championship level. Also the point is he should be able to beat decent fighters at SM if he's even in the P4P rankings otherwise there's no point in moving up at all, he may well win these fights so how can anyone be happy with him just knocking out people short of the top level at any weight?Ward moved out of SM because there were no good fights to be had. The optimum height for a SM is 6'1 to 6'2" so h would be giving a lot of reach to any good champion like Ward and Frotch who no longer bother there for a reason.
In England names like De Gale and Groves may be hyped up, but they are no better than who he is already beating and would not draw flies in the US. Don't believe Box Nation and Sky.
There isn't as big a gap between Frampton and Quigg as you would have us believe Leighton , a rematch between these two could go either way its only your dislike for Quigg that your playing it down .Ono I know where your coming from also Frampton is looking at fighting back in Belfast can you blame him. I know Hearn wont want anything to do with Frampton v Quigg 2. Not for a long long time. So its got to be Quigg puts up a great run of wins against contenders to get the shot. I think the Selby fight could sell well in the UK again. Carl only wants the big fights. A fight with Quigg wont happen any time soon. I can see Carl fighting Selby then Santa Cruz rematch in Belfast then a fight with Gary Russell. I read Steve Collins saying he thinks Carl can go one step more than him and be a 3 weight champion. Carl is going to be in a great position and in a rematch with Santa Cruz he will earn more than the last fight. He would be a huge draw and the tv stations will be expecting another war. Sadly for us this fight will only happen in the US and it will happen in a neutral venue more so. I think maybe Vegas but who knows. Carl will want to just fight the big fights as much as he can from now on.
Quigg needs to be forgetting the Carl fight even in the build up to the Santa Cruz the sour grapes from Quigg was a bit bad. Saying he hopes Santa Cruz beats him so he can have the rematch with Frampton. Well now Quiggs in a no win situation. IF I was Carl I would be saying Quigg v Santa Cruz winner gets a rematch but that wont happen as Eddie Hearn and Joe Gallagher knows Quigg isnt as good as he makes them out to be. Quigg in with any boxer who can take a shot and Quigg gets beaten.
To be honest I wouldn't mind seeing Quigg vs Santa Cruz. I think it would actually be decent. I do think the only way Frampton makes more money is by fighting in Belfast to be honest. It's good that he can draw good crowds in NYC but unless that's bringing in the big coin, I don't see the appeal of it. I still maintain that he makes much more money from a rematch with Quigg than he does with a rematch with Leo or a fight with Russell Jr.Ono I know where your coming from also Frampton is looking at fighting back in Belfast can you blame him. I know Hearn wont want anything to do with Frampton v Quigg 2. Not for a long long time. So its got to be Quigg puts up a great run of wins against contenders to get the shot. I think the Selby fight could sell well in the UK again. Carl only wants the big fights. A fight with Quigg wont happen any time soon. I can see Carl fighting Selby then Santa Cruz rematch in Belfast then a fight with Gary Russell. I read Steve Collins saying he thinks Carl can go one step more than him and be a 3 weight champion. Carl is going to be in a great position and in a rematch with Santa Cruz he will earn more than the last fight. He would be a huge draw and the tv stations will be expecting another war. Sadly for us this fight will only happen in the US and it will happen in a neutral venue more so. I think maybe Vegas but who knows. Carl will want to just fight the big fights as much as he can from now on.
Quigg needs to be forgetting the Carl fight even in the build up to the Santa Cruz the sour grapes from Quigg was a bit bad. Saying he hopes Santa Cruz beats him so he can have the rematch with Frampton. Well now Quiggs in a no win situation. IF I was Carl I would be saying Quigg v Santa Cruz winner gets a rematch but that wont happen as Eddie Hearn and Joe Gallagher knows Quigg isnt as good as he makes them out to be. Quigg in with any boxer who can take a shot and Quigg gets beaten.
How about don't believe HBO(or Showtime who are just as bad with their fighters) who are hyping up the peoples favorite as much as possible to capitalise on it while they can? Also take a good look how many champions we have it doesn't matter who draws flies in the US in terms of how good a fighter is... British fighters are proving it doesn't matter at all(De Gale may be hyped up but he is decent to be fair and Groves post Froch his doubters are the more vocal). Look at his record check out some of those fighters properly(hyped by HBO to make money no different than ours do for fighters on their own channel... remember the hype job Showtime did on Lucian Bute? They are way worse at hype than ours who at least attempt to show a little impartiality), GGG hasn't faced anyone on De Gale's or Grove's level, say what you want about Groves but I think he's on the road back under Shane McGuigan, in those Froch fights I saw a lot of potential along with some room for improvement but he was already better than David Lemieux who is capable but nothing special. Who else is there on his record even worth mentioning Martin Murray? He was the bigger man but he had a poor KO percentage in comparison(so not really much of a risk) and he isn't a slick fighter he's just a tough one that's likeable but always fallen a little short of championship level. Also the point is he should be able to beat decent fighters at SM if he's even in the P4P rankings otherwise there's no point in moving up at all, he may well win these fights so how can anyone be happy with him just knocking out people short of the top level at any weight?
I would love to see something like the Super 6 again, nothing against Bute I'm sure he has his merits but it was more about making a point of the hype job mastery they do over there on both channels... the difference is we see through Sky and Boxnation most of the time maybe they are just not as good at it or we are more sceptical as Brits.Bute got hype from being out of the super 6 , as soon as he faced a super six fighter he got destroyed. But Ono rates Bute it seems?
Super Middleweight is a new weight (to me) with no logic being closer to light heavy than middle, it was just because Sugar Ray agreed that weight for a catch weight for a LH fight then it became used again. I don't see any merit in an obvious middle weight fighting at SM, unless it was a 164lbs catch weight fight with Ward. SM would have been better if they hadn't avoided Adonis and made him move up to LH to get a title shot. LH is the best division bar far these days for me, Ward v Kovalev is a magnificent prospect and so is the winner fighting Adonis.
I would love to see something like the Super 6 again.