Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[FanchesterCity]

As for why is it best for City now, but not previously? -

It's all about timing and opportunity. There's a cut off point with every player were one season it's right to keep, and the next it's time to sell. Knowing when that cut off point is reached is a judgment call, but such a point exists with every player.

Then there's the issue of opportunity. If there's a keeper Pep has in mind and he's available then it makes more sense. If Pep is unhappy with Joe but there's no clear upgrade available, then Pep remains 'stuck with what he's got'. He may not be our most pressing issue in the squad, but if there's a better keeper available, but no better left backs available, you still upgrade the keeper in the meantime.

 

[pudge]

First I've heard of it.

Doubtful, I take it you just gather where it's going.

If Pep gets his apparent way and Hart is sold without a second thought then what's different to a few years ago?

 

[SWP's back]

On the wum, you (:

:-)

To be serious though, Pep appearing to get his wish doesn't mean he's seen as being bigger than the club, there's a millions different variables between the situation then and how it is now in terms of income, FFP, squad make up, need, game plan etc.

 

[mosssideblue]

hart will get selected for tue and he will play as told how to play, this thread will be on page 3 but whoever is leaking out info from the club will still be there, that's the one who has to be removed

Understood your first part but struggled after "this thread will be............ What point are you making?

 

[SWP's back]

Doubtful, I take it you just gather where it's going.

I'm just wondering if Pep has powerful means of persuasion or upsetting players has no bearing on anything.

Mancini upset just about everybody (and by that I mean playing staff), not just Hart. That was his undoing.

 

[pudge]

Mancini upset just about everybody (and by that I mean playing staff), not just Hart. That was his undoing.

That's perfectly fine, doesn't prevent Hart from getting flogged does it?

 

[SWP's back]

That's fine, doesn't prevent Hart from getting flogged does it?

As I say, there's so many different variables between the situations then and now.

I'm glad Hart wasn't sold back then, he's been excellent for us. I'd prefer him not to be sold now, but that's entirely down to him and it does not appear that he is capable of changing his game style.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

:-)

To be serious though, Pep appearing to get his wish doesn't mean he's seen as being bigger than the club, there's a millions different variables between the situation then and how it is now in terms of income, FFP, squad make up, need, game plan etc.

Pep will of known the 'variables' of that changing room before rocking up... His obsessive compulsive nature will of left no stone unturned and that goes for influence from certain players.. 3 notable absences yesterday weren't exactly a surprise!!

 

[worsleyweb]

As I say, there's so many different variables between the situations then and now.

I'm glad Hart wasn't sold back then, he's been excellent for us. I'd prefer him not to be sold now, but that's entirely down to him and it does not appear that he is capable of changing his game style.

I don't think pep was impressed at hart just totally ignoring his instruction vs arsenal.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

That's perfectly fine, doesn't prevent Hart from getting flogged does it?

It does when your senior staff put it out that either 'he goes of we do'..

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Brilliant - the first Pep v Mancini exchange.

 

[marco]

Understood your first part but struggled after "this thread will be............ What point are you making?

the point i'm making is its quite clear someone is leaking info from whats going on inside the club, there were to many reports of hart being dropped from to many journo's for there not to be, have you read all the thread or just jumped on the back of it

 

[SWP's back]

Pep will of known the 'variables' of that changing room before rocking up... His obsessive compulsive nature will of left no stone unturned and that goes for influence from certain players.. 3 notable absences yesterday weren't exactly a surprise!!

It's like the school bully gang have just had their noses bloodied by the new kid.

 

[SWP's back]

I don't think pep was impressed at hart just totally ignoring his instruction vs arsenal.

Absolutely.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

hart will get selected for tue and he will play as told how to play, this thread will be on page 3 but whoever is leaking out info from the club will still be there, that's the one who has to be removed

I suspect that the person who leaked that information will be the one who is being removed.

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

Sentiment held more weight, more influence, under Pellegrini. A man who held no real power in the corridors of the club.

It's the same reason a fat, out of shape, completely half arsed Yaya was guaranteed to be first name on the team sheet every week under Pellegrini.

Pep won't accept that, nor will he accept a goalkeeper that can't adapt to his style of play.

Fairly straightforward.

I said this last year, and got plenty of stick for it from those who simply refused to recognise it, but this has been a long time coming. Joe has been a very good servant for this club, but he has his flaws, and anyone who couldn't see this day coming under Pep has a pretty rudimentary understanding of the sport and/or is completely blinded by sentiment.

We should be grateful that we have a manager with a backbone and the mandate to clear up shop and take this club to heights we otherwise wouldn't be able to reach.

We're in safe hands. Trust the man in charge.

good post mate

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

hope he's back for the champs game and back in our team. i think most match going fans want him back in net for us.

 

[pudge]

It does when your senior staff put it out that either 'he goes of we do'..

But again, apparently replacing Hart is for the sake of progression.

So unless there was an internal protest to save Hart alone, what prevented him from being sold?

Perhaps back then a perceived weakness in his game was spotted and for the sake of progressing as a club, in a new style, a replacement was sought after. Or did the manager just want rid for poops and giggles?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

hope he's back for the champs game and back in our team. i think most match going fans want him back in net for us.

I don't. If the manager's telling him to do x and he ignores him and does y then I don't want him in the team or anywhere near it.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I don't. If the manager's telling him to do x and he ignores him and does y then I don't want him in the team or anywhere near it.

when has he ignored him ? he's only played 45 minutes of a friendly. i imagine he is working on his passing in training and will try it next time he gets a chance.