Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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SWP's back said:
So you say the PL is unique, I ask how, you state DDG.

I riposte using the fact that South American football is just as physical and give two examples of keepers that had zero issue coming to the PL and that DDG was a child.

You give up.

Super. Thanks.
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You didn't say South American football, you said Chilean football. I don't believe that you have watched much Chilean football, I can't prove that but I have absolutely no doubt that for the purposes of this argument you will be an expert. Does stating two keepers who had zero issues coming to the Prem mean that there can be never be any issues for a keeper coming to the Prem? There are plenty of keepers who have come here with good reputations and have left having been crap just as there are those who have come here and been fine. The sad thing is that although I am sad to see Joe go, I don't have an issue with Bravo coming in as number one, I can see that for our particular circumstances he is probably (hopefully) going to be a better fit. It is you that is so zealous that you can't even admit that it is debatable who is the better of the two keepers, which was my original point. I would expect a normal person to understand that that is debatable even if you happen to be of the opinion that Bravo is the better all round keeper. But I don't think you're entirely normal, so yes, if it makes you happy, you win, it is a FACT that Bravo is the better keeper.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Absolutely not. Just can't be arsed arguing any longer with someone who doesn't even have the capacity to admit that it is at least debatable who is the better of the two keepers which is all that I am saying. I have seen you at work on here enough to know that there is no arguing with you once you have decided something.
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Lets be honest if he was anywhere near as good as Bravo then Barcelona would have taken Hart instead of signing Jasper Cilleson. Everton have just counted themselves out (if he's as good as some would have us believe they would have been a natural fit) and there doesn't appear to be a lot of takers for Joe Hart. He's been letting in soft goals for the last couple of years and we've been turning a blind eye because it's Joe Hart and we all like him because he's English and a great representative of the club. Unfortunately that doesn't make him a great keeper.

I love the man, I'm very grateful for the years of service he has given the club and he will always be a legend to me for the period of success he was a part of and the loyalty and dedication he has shown the club BUT he's not as good as we all thought.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
You didn't say South American football, you said Chilean football. I don't believe that you have watched much Chilean football, I can't prove that but I have absolutely no doubt that for the purposes of this argument you will be an expert. Does stating two keepers who had zero issues coming to the Prem mean that there can be never be any issues for a keeper coming to the Prem? There are plenty of keepers who have come here with good reputations and have left having been crap just as there are those who have come here and been fine. The sad thing is that although I am sad to see Joe go, I don't have an issue with Bravo coming in as number one, I can see that for our particular circumstances he is probably (hopefully) going to be a better fit. It is you that is so zealous that you can't even admit that it is debatable who is the better of the two keepers, which was my original point. I would expect a normal person to understand that that is debatable even if you happen to be of the opinion that Bravo is the better all round keeper. But I don't think you're entirely normal, so yes, if it makes you happy, you win, it is a FACT that Bravo is the better keeper.
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You're right. Stating two keepers doesn't prove a rule any more than you mentioning DDG. This whole "PL is unique" bollocks is just media hype. It's exactly the same for keepers as any other league and we have just bought the best keeper, from the best team, from the best league in the world. And against their will.

It's debatable that Bony is better than Aguero.

It's debatable that United are title favourites.

Name a subject and it is always debatable.

That doesn't mean that one side of the debate isn't wrong though.
 
I find the city fans already stating they think Pep is wrong here astounding, just listen to your reasoning spelled out to you...

We all wanted the best coach, we got the best coach, best coach makes a decision and BEFORE there is anything even close to substance to judge some feel (even half a season of play) he is wrong for xyz reason? I have to ask on what do you base this considering you have no genuine gauge or measurement. The argument he is right comes with him being the best coach around and the trophies he has won. As a City fan i feel it is wrong to state Pep is already wrong as you have nothing to base it on besides a certain level of affection.

Abattoir Blue said:
Not saying journos know everything but can't see Bravo above Hart in any of these lists. So I think to say Bravo is clearly an improvement is inaccurate.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/6-best-goalkeepers-world

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-masters-craft-rank-10-goalkeepers-world.html

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/gal...courtois-gianluigi-buffon-david-de-gea-012816

http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/internationals/tp/tengoalkeepers.htm
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You are attempting to give credit to your pov via listing 4 articles you have dug out to suit your agenda, i know you have because i just googled 'top ten keepers' and the telegraph link at the TOP of the page does state he is better. Did it take you long to dig all them out? :-D

I like Hart but support City so rather than make bold opinions Pep is wrong with nothing to base it on (in fact i would say his success shows he is closer to being right) barring personal ideals. I choose to support him and wish Joe all the very best should he move.
 
TCIB said:
attempting to give credit to your pov via listing 4 articles you have dug out to suit your agenda, i know you have because i just googled 'top ten keepers' and the telegraph link at the TOP of the page does state he is better. Did it take you long to dig all them out? :-D
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Fair play for taking the time to do that.
 
TCIB said:
You are attempting to give credit to your pov via listing 4 articles you have dug out to suit your agenda, i know you have because i just googled 'top ten keepers' and the telegraph link at the TOP of the page does state he is better. Did it take you long to dig all them out? :-D
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I use ask jeeves... ;-)
 
SWP's back said:
It's debatable that Bony is better than Aguero.
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Do you really think that comparing two goalkeepers, one of whom was rated as one of best 10 keepers in the world for last 5 years v another now in the same bracket...

...is even close to...

...comparing a striker that is usually rated just below Messi and Ronaldo v a guy who would struggle to make a best 5 strikers currently at City list?

I'm not saying Pep *is* wrong, I'm saying I *think* he and you are wrong if you think he is an upgrade. I sincerely hope he is right. I reckon it probably won't make much difference either way cos the rest of the team will be playing so well.
 
stony said:
All that needed saying tbh. I've never understood why people put players above the club.
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Yeah you could cut my entire post down to that in fairness :-)

I can understand people having great affection for Joe, i would suggest to many are letting emotion cloud their judgement though. Of course emotions are strong in football but you need to have some clarity if you have any kind of desire in the sport above that of funday sunday pub footy. It just comes very close to questioning Peps coaching in some posts which to me shows these are emotional rather than logical views, nowt wrong with it, i just fall into the catagory of less emotional possibly as logic has always served me well and emotions err never mind haha.

Abattoir Blue said:
I use ask jeeves... ;-)
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Lol fair play bud. Just so you know i did not go out my way to 'prove' you wrong. I think my distrust of press reported stats and default position to check them (and others) is automatic now hehe. I guess what it gives relief to is how the game is about opinion and perspective. If our build up play at the back does not improve i'll hold my hands up and say pep was wrong. If we do ok building from back but shot stopping declines, again i will admit i was wrong to be in line with Peps thinking to a degree.

In 3 months time i hope we are doing great and Joe is tearing it up with a nw lease of life at a new club. I don't think he should stay as third choice for his own career.
 
The blue dippers have no interest in Joe hart because , they cannot afford the fee or loan fee or his wages , if we offered him for nothing and paid half his wages , they would have him in a shot , their Chinese take over is bullshit , they are still a club with no ambition and no money , wouldnt be surprised if Joe said "Everton ? F*ck that , i would rather be 3rd choice here".
 
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Thanks for the memories Joe
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Trust in Pep..
 
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