Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Blue Mooner said:
Lets be honest if he was anywhere near as good as Bravo then Barcelona would have taken Hart instead of signing Jasper Cilleson. Everton have just counted themselves out (if he's as good as some would have us believe they would have been a natural fit) and there doesn't appear to be a lot of takers for Joe Hart. He's been letting in soft goals for the last couple of years and we've been turning a blind eye because it's Joe Hart and we all like him because he's English and a great representative of the club. Unfortunately that doesn't make him a great keeper.

I love the man, I'm very grateful for the years of service he has given the club and he will always be a legend to me for the period of success he was a part of and the loyalty and dedication he has shown the club BUT he's not as good as we all thought.
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Thought he was one of our best players last season and saved our arses time and again. As I said, I can see that Bravo will be a better fit for what pep wants but I still think it is genuinely debatable who is the better keeper. It's horses for courses isn't it, I am sure there would be clubs where joe would be a better fit than bravo. The truth is that they're both excellent keepers but for some reason if people don't instantly say bravo is better without even seeing him play for us then they're open to be ridiculed.
 
twoddlehopper said:
Not sure to be fair, I thought it was standard if you wanna keep the goalies happy and sharp in case of injuries to the number 1.
I'll ask him if I see him down the local tomorrow.
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I just though Neuer played league and cup the last three years but I could be wrong.
 
goalmole said:
What has he said that makes you think that he know's he's wrong.
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Just the way he's gone about it. He's been directly critical of Nasri, directly critical of Yaya but he knows he doesn't have enough reason to be so critical of Joe, he's maintained that he has a chance of being in the team... because his performances have deserved that chance... but yet in reality, he's replaced him and he's got no chance.
 
Thought it was ironic last night when Joe was obviously set on demonstrating that he was capable of being a sweeper keeper with passing the ball out, following the high line, racing out to clear the through ball only to remind us of his problems with crosses when he came out to punch a ball and sailed majestically under it hands aloft.
 
SWP's back said:
Joe is the first player that needs replacing to play Pep's way.

Your last sentence is premium class bollocks by the way.
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Really?? Before Bony? Before Kolarov? Before Mangala? Yaya? Absolute nonsense! If you think to a champions league game against barca when sergio is injured and bony has to step in, if you think joe is a bigger liability in that than bony then you've never watched either of them.

thanks. Ive explained it elsewhere.
 
dajd1984 said:
Just the way he's gone about it. He's been directly critical of Nasri, directly critical of Yaya but he knows he doesn't have enough reason to be so critical of Joe, he's maintained that he has a chance of being in the team... because his performances have deserved that chance... but yet in reality, he's replaced him and he's got no chance.
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I'll give him a little more credit than that. The other explanation for your observations could be that he is aware of Joe's standing with the fans and he would rather avoid risking upsetting the fans by saying the wrong thing.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Thought he was one of our best players last season and saved our arses time and again. As I said, I can see that Bravo will be a better fit for what pep wants but I still think it is genuinely debatable who is the better keeper. It's horses for courses isn't it, I am sure there would be clubs where joe would be a better fit than bravo. The truth is that they're both excellent keepers but for some reason if people don't instantly say bravo is better without even seeing him play for us then they're open to be ridiculed.
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I think Bravo is better...for this system and over the course of a season would work as part of said system that would allow in fewer goals than a reactive keeper like Joe. So if we start comparing player to player exclusively we would get an inaccurate and less than whole picture imo, context is absolute i feel. Pep has the keeper directly as part of the tactics as opposed to traditional prem tactics of 'stop it and boot it' which is what Joe can do pretty well, however they don't usually have such a role in build up i think it is fair to say.

I do not want the following quote to be taken as Joe bashing, it does show a clear gap in the approach to the game by both keepers in general...

"The numbers support the argument. Bravo attempted the fewest long passes of any regular La Liga goalkeeper last season and was also the only one to find a colleague with them more often than not. He made 236 more accurate short passes than anyone else and completed 100 per cent of his passes five times. According to Opta, Hart has done that twice in his career."
 
Neville Kneville said:
There were big discussions on here as to whether Joe would be able to learn the skills required to play in a Pep Guardiola team.

Some thought 'no chance', some, like myself, thought 'maybe' & some thought 'yes'.

It appears Pep thinks either 'no chance', or 'maybe', but certainly not 'yes'.

Joe's position was under discussion on here though, no way was he a certainty in the minds of plenty on here.
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Anyone can be replaced, most people would swap sergio for someone better, but surely we'd rather deal with the weaker links first, and the idea that joe is one of the weaker links is completely ridiculous.
 
dajd1984 said:
Anyone can be replaced, most people would swap sergio for someone better, but surely we'd rather deal with the weaker links first, and the idea that joe is one of the weaker links is completely ridiculous.
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Not really. He probably is one of the weaker links for the system Guardiola wishes to use. We have to replace players that don't fit into that system as and when the opportunity arises to do so.
 
meeesh said:
But look at it this way,well I would,Pep comes to a club in a country where the keeper is the countries number 1 as well ? Surely you cannot ask for a better start,unless.......like you say,there is a conflict between them,but if there was a conflict,surely he would be nowhere near the first team squad,never mind getting a game last night.or was that done for sentimental reasons...no according to Pep
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I know Hart is Englands number 1 but were he to play for Everton lets say, he wouldn't get a sniff in over Butland and that's fact, but because he plays for us he's automatically picked. Also I don't think it's conflict between Hart and Pep but rather that Hart could have said something out of turn and Pep just wanted his players grounded so decided to make Hart an example...... It's not just Hart though, Nasri has been told he can go because of his weight and fitness so you can imagine how strict Pep is? He's enforces rules like Mancini but with Pellegrini's temperament, and I reckon Hart has probably said something out of turn to Pep which has made Pep think "okay, if that's the way it is"...

I like Hart and even though he does frustrate me at times, the mental thing is before my dad passed he was adamant that Pep would drop Hart, before the rumours started my dad was like "Hart will be the biggest casualty to go" I brushed it off as I was normally the one that was always right, but my dad knew there was something missing from Joe's game and his personality that Pep wouldn't like....... I imagine my dad is looking down at me now with a big smug grin on his face, but I suppose everybody gets one.
 
Just a thought, most of the speculation about Joe Hart's future has been driven by the media. No clear indications came across during the BT post match interviews that Joe's departure was inevitable. Now Everton have whimped out, as expected, it wouldn't surprise me if Joe stays with City, at least until January. If Bravo doesn't do the business, there is nothing from Joe's performance and attitude last night that makes me feel that staying is not a viable option.
 
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
I know Hart is Englands number 1 but were he to play for Everton lets say, he wouldn't get a sniff in over Butland and that's fact, but because he plays for us he's automatically picked. Also I don't think it's conflict between Hart and Pep but rather that Hart could have said something out of turn and Pep just wanted his players grounded so decided to make Hart an example...... It's not just Hart though, Nasri has been told he can go because of his weight and fitness so you can imagine how strict Pep is? He's enforces rules like Mancini but with Pellegrini's temperament, and I reckon Hart has probably said something out of turn to Pep which has made Pep think "okay, if that's the way it is"...

I like Hart and even though he does frustrate me at times, the mental thing is before my dad passed he was adamant that Pep would drop Hart, before the rumours started my dad was like "Hart will be the biggest casualty to go" I brushed it off as I was normally the one that was always right, but my dad knew there was something missing from Joe's game and his personality that Pep wouldn't like....... I imagine my dad is looking down at me now with a big smug grin on his face, but I suppose everybody gets one.
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First and foremost RIP to your dad in the Kippax in the sky,he won't be grinning mate he will be smiling down at you and City for what we are about to become,I'm not gonna under estimate Pep,I just find this all bizarre, I know things at City are always strange but after being with them for all my life (45) nothing should surprise me these days I suppose
 
dajd1984 said:
Just the way he's gone about it. He's been directly critical of Nasri, directly critical of Yaya but he knows he doesn't have enough reason to be so critical of Joe, he's maintained that he has a chance of being in the team... because his performances have deserved that chance... but yet in reality, he's replaced him and he's got no chance.
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I think he was just playing it smart with Joe
 
I thought the City fans were brilliant with Joe last night. It was nothing to do with anyone having a go at Pep or Bravo, it aS all about respect for someone who has always played for City with pride, passion, decency and brilliance, who has never hidden, is amongst the first to applaud the fans. Last night was proper old City for me and I was proud to be there, and proud that my two young sons were with me to pay respect to a PROPER BLUE
 
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