Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Machiavelli]

Nope. Seems like some people rate their perception and general knowledge of the game far too highly. Probably some sad sack sulking for the fun I had in the Sterling thread at last years armchair experts' expense. (His post not yours)

I knew you weren't a septic bud. Heads off to the Sterling thread. |:0)

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Torino, pa...haha. England's #1, world class keeper...ends up at Torino.

Says it all really.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I was questioning the same after this debacle. I felt the same about Hart during the 11/12 season but there is no doubt he dropped off after that. I used to be took back by how well he could pick out an accurate long-range pass up-field, then when Pellers came in he started kicking it out of touch every time and certainly no where near no.2 in world football.

Even back in 11/12 or 12/13 when Joe was on world class form rags were exclaiming DeGea was no.2 in the world and still fervently do, even many other football fans and some City fans too. DeGea when he first came, flapped at absolutely everything in-front of him and was terrible. He's obviously come on a lot after taking time to settle in over there but still, he's not as good as Courtois was at Atletico. I don't see the ability one on one ability in DeGea that is probably Joe's greatest strength (has always continently pulled us out the shit over his City career), obviously a big strength of Neuer too. He can be a great shot stopper reaching for shots going into the corner etc. but not any more so than Hart. In recent years Hart has been weak getting caught out with low shots to the corner though. I think he's just not kept up to the high standards he set himself a few years ago.

I agree. He has regressed but I liked him as a player despite his poor concentration at times and poor distribution. The fact that he is going to Torino says it all unless we won't play ball with some clubs.

 

[Metalartin]

Has Celtic not been a loan option? Win the SPL, good chance at the Scottish cup, big home crowd/experience, CL football...

Not a bad shout in theory he'd probably fit in well there too(tempted to say something about Joe's "great character" but I'll leave it), I think the fact that they haven't even been mentioned this late on says it all though they must be happy with what they have for now.

 

[johnmc]

Hart is in that top 10-20 range. Nowhere near Manu Neuer or Gigi Buffon. It gets a little murky after that depending on who you ask, but I think DDG is comfortably third best. Courtois and Cech probably round out the top 5. Then you've just got a bunch of guys who are all very close to one another -- needless to say, Hart has never been near #2 in the world but he's one of the best. A lot of other teams probably saw him as an upgrade but the timing for the move was not good.

Where is Bravo then?

 

[CitizenTID]

I agree. He has regressed but I liked him as a player despite his poor concentration at times and poor distribution. The fact that he is going to Torino says it all unless we won't play ball with some clubs.

I don't see a long-term solution in the prem for Joe unless one of the top 6 part ways with their 'keeper. Top keepers tend to move between CL clubs. Joe should be looking at Napoli, Juve (after Buffon retires), Atletico, PSG, Dortmund et al. Maybe promising Europa league clubs - Valencia, Villarreal, Sevilla. You can see the sort of bracket I mean listing those clubs - he'd be lucky to get #1 at a Juve or Atleti standard but that's where he should be aiming.

 

[CitizenTID]

Not a bad shout in theory he'd probably fit in well there too(tempted to say something about Joe's "great character" but I'll leave it), I think the fact that they haven't even been mentioned this late on says it all though they must be happy with what they have for now.

He could be the difference for them in the CL at getting 3rd spot in the group.

 

[Burtonblue]

If he were prepared to take a wage cut I bet he could have stayed in the Prem.
Guess you can't blame him for putting money ahead of football but that's his choice.

 

[Metalartin]

He could be the difference for them in the CL at getting 3rd spot in the group.

Maybe their budget was spoken for on outfield players by the time Hart became available, lets not forget most of the world expected Hart to stay and fight for his place even if he did lose the No1 spot.

He'll be back(on the world stage not at City I know ;) ) anyway and good luck to him he's too good not to be IMO. I agree a CL club should be a priority, he may not feel like it at the moment but he needs to stay in the limelight or he might end up fading away. I can understand why he would want a move to somewhere like Torino with the recent media "circus" as he termed it himself, kind of tells you he's had enough of the frenzy. A lot of it has been negative and even blue's are trying to make out he's not CL level now, its madness really.

 

[CitizenTID]

Hart is in that top 10-20 range. Nowhere near Manu Neuer or Gigi Buffon. It gets a little murky after that depending on who you ask, but I think DDG is comfortably third best. Courtois and Cech probably round out the top 5. Then you've just got a bunch of guys who are all very close to one another -- needless to say, Hart has never been near #2 in the world but he's one of the best. A lot of other teams probably saw him as an upgrade but the timing for the move was not good.

What makes DeGea #3? I've watched him enough to feel that people over-egg him way too much. Alright you could say unconventional isn't a bad thing but his over-use of his feet to save says something about his confidence in his hands.

If you can explain why you think he's no.3 incase I'm overlooking things? When does he ever come out in a 1 on 1, spreading himself big and save the day like Hart and Neuer?

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

I don't see a long-term solution in the prem for Joe unless one of the top 6 part ways with their 'keeper. Top keepers tend to move between CL clubs. Joe should be looking at Napoli, Juve (after Buffon retires), Atletico, PSG, Dortmund et al. Maybe promising Europa league clubs - Valencia, Villarreal, Sevilla. You can see the sort of bracket I mean listing those clubs - he'd be lucky to get #1 at a Juve or Atleti standard but that's where he should be aiming.

Joe will certainly improve his footwork a hell of a lot, by watching Daniele Padelli, really closely, if this is anything to go by.

 

[CitizenTID]

Joe will certainly improve his footwork a hell of a lot, by watching Daniele Padelli, really closely, if this is anything to go by.

hahaha! Great find!

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Where is Bravo then?

Imo bravo is as good as cech

 

[Damanino]

Huge reality check for Hart this summer. Sunderland, Torino.
If Neuer would become available tomorrow I would still expect a few top dog clubs ready to make a move even in 48 hours left in the window.

Hearing maybe Burnley making a late move for Hart?
Think Hart just wanna go now as far as he can, with Torino he wont be in the spotlight that much as he would be at Sunderland given the press would be on his back heavily with every mistake. Change of air also could be good for him, but finishing top 10 in Serie A hardly a huge target for him. Apart from Juve and maybe Napoli on their day that league is a fucking shit.
Roma, Inter, Milan all useless recently. I even feel sad for what became of Milan, have a look at their squad and ask who the hell are all of these mediocre players? Even Chievo has similar squad or maybe Torino lol.
Berlusconi is really flushing them down the toilet....

Also bit of reality check for City, that no fucking clubs are ready to pay anywhere close to our players what we do, we will end up paying big part of Mangala, Bony, Nasri, Yaya, Hart etc wages while they out on loan somewhere else if we can ship them at all.

For Hart its a bit similar like Pellegrini who didnt get serious offers from top clubs at all, tried with Everton/Soton didnt work out even tho he said he wanted to stay in PL than ended up at Big Chicken Fortune Chinese club and we had this man for 3 years that no one else really wanted once we fired him.
Says it all.

Thank God for Guardiola because he isnt taking shit from anyone, he wont have players stand up against him no matter its Hart, Yaya, Kun anyone, anyone that doesnt stand in line for the team will be shown the door.

It was time for City to ask the quite clearly overpaid stars to work their ass off for the club.

 

[Metalartin]

Huge reality check for Hart this summer. Sunderland, Torino.
If Neuer would become available tomorrow I would still expect a few top dog clubs ready to make a move even in 48 hours left in the window.

Hearing maybe Burnley making a late move for Hart?
Think Hart just wanna go now as far as he can, with Torino he wont be in the spotlight that much as he would be at Sunderland given the press would be on his back heavily with every mistake. Change of air also could be good for him, but finishing top 10 in Serie A hardly a huge target for him. Apart from Juve and maybe Napoli on their day that league is a fucking shit.
Roma, Inter, Milan all useless recently. I even feel sad for what became of Milan, have a look at their squad and ask who the hell are all of these mediocre players? Even Chievo has similar squad or maybe Torino lol.
Berlusconi is really flushing them down the toilet....

Also bit of reality check for City, that no fucking clubs are ready to pay anywhere close to our players what we do, we will end up paying big part of Mangala, Bony, Nasri, Yaya, Hart etc wages while they out on loan somewhere else if we can ship them at all.

For Hart its a bit similar like Pellegrini who didnt get serious offers from top clubs at all, tried with Everton/Soton didnt work out even tho he said he wanted to stay in PL than ended up at Big Chicken Fortune Chinese club and we had this man for 3 years that no one else really wanted once we fired him.
Says it all.

Thank God for Guardiola because he isnt taking shit from anyone, he wont have players stand up against him no matter its Hart, Yaya, Kun anyone, anyone that doesnt stand in line for the team will be shown the door.

It was time for City to ask the quite clearly overpaid stars to work their ass off for the club.

That's the thing though the players highlighted are all very decent players with a good few years left in them. Even Mangala will be very decent in the right setup some day for me, just you watch if he goes to Italy they will instill in him what he needs, even Bony(yes I said it) has a good chance of recapturing his Swansea form in the right setup. The fact that they aren't queuing up for them does not in fact say it all, as many seem to think it does. How much did Ronaldinho and Deco go for at the time btw if anyone knows? I guess when you make it too clear you want rid or surplus to requirements, everybody's skeptical that they are worth the asking price anymore.

The media does not help us one bit with the standard automatic negative bias all things City receive too(so it's doubly bad for us), the amount of shit the dippers and rags have been able to sell on is infuriating in contrast. I even saw a blue compare Carrick of all people to Fernandinho recently, just shows how far hype can take you in the minds of the public(never rated Carrick groaned when they dared to tell us he was England's savior in the middle of the park... "we're fucked then" was my answer), none of our players get the same hype. The way they pulled the rug(of hype/Liverpool rep) from under Sterling's feet the moment he signed for us and piled on the negatives tells you all you need to know about the contrast of how things work in the PL. It might have made him stronger though(which will be just deserts) he wont need to thrive on hype or reputation anymore, hopefully he will just focus on his game and do his thing/Pep's thing regardless of what is said.

 

[Monkchester]

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-by-pep-guardiola-but-does-he-have-a-problem?

Interesting article - saw him signing autographs with his left hand recently - very strange that he appears weak on that side if he is left handed.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Huge reality check for Hart this summer. Sunderland, Torino.
If Neuer would become available tomorrow I would still expect a few top dog clubs ready to make a move even in 48 hours left in the window.

Hearing maybe Burnley making a late move for Hart?
Think Hart just wanna go now as far as he can, with Torino he wont be in the spotlight that much as he would be at Sunderland given the press would be on his back heavily with every mistake. Change of air also could be good for him, but finishing top 10 in Serie A hardly a huge target for him. Apart from Juve and maybe Napoli on their day that league is a fucking shit.
Roma, Inter, Milan all useless recently. I even feel sad for what became of Milan, have a look at their squad and ask who the hell are all of these mediocre players? Even Chievo has similar squad or maybe Torino lol.
Berlusconi is really flushing them down the toilet....

Also bit of reality check for City, that no fucking clubs are ready to pay anywhere close to our players what we do, we will end up paying big part of Mangala, Bony, Nasri, Yaya, Hart etc wages while they out on loan somewhere else if we can ship them at all.

For Hart its a bit similar like Pellegrini who didnt get serious offers from top clubs at all, tried with Everton/Soton didnt work out even tho he said he wanted to stay in PL than ended up at Big Chicken Fortune Chinese club and we had this man for 3 years that no one else really wanted once we fired him.
Says it all.

Thank God for Guardiola because he isnt taking shit from anyone, he wont have players stand up against him no matter its Hart, Yaya, Kun anyone, anyone that doesnt stand in line for the team will be shown the door.

It was time for City to ask the quite clearly overpaid stars to work their ass off for the club.

I agree with most of our post, however on your reality check, this is Joe Hart and not Jo Silva. We paid about £1mil for Joe in total and have had 10 years of good service, include 2 league titles and a champs league semi.

 

[sir baconface]

Torino, pa...haha. England's #1, world class keeper...ends up at Torino.

Says it all really.

And this post says a lot about you.

 

[fergal_oc]

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-by-pep-guardiola-but-does-he-have-a-problem?

Interesting article - saw him signing autographs with his left hand recently - very strange that he appears weak on that side if he is left handed.

I'm a left and always hated having to dive to my left when in goal. A rubbish comparison of course because I hated being in goal full stop but diving to my right I was always fairl comfortable with.

I am ambidextrous though and do a lot of things with my right hand. Maybe that's joe's problem...

 

[Shuffs]

I'm a left and always hated having to dive to my left when in goal. A rubbish comparison of course because I hated being in goal full stop but diving to my right I was always fairl comfortable with.

I am ambidextrous though and do a lot of things with my right hand. Maybe that's joe's problem...

Funny, was just thinking... In my younger days I was a keeper and had no problems going left....going right was a different story. But I am right handed, so maybe it's a mental thing protecting your "stronger" arm/hand