Aguero banned for three games (updated)

FanchesterCity said:
I think there are two distinct issues there.

1) The use of any technology than can improve the gathering of factual evidence (including video replays)
2) How subjective evidence (also including video replays) is interpreted in a retrospective manner

I think Rugby does a great job with video evidence, and the referee spells out all the factors he's looking at - I don't think it detracts from the game, and it's every bit as fast as football.
I don't think technology has detracted from Rugby, Tennis or Cricket. I'm happy with the progress.

But then there's this issue of subjective evidence. Intent is hard to prove, and we have commentators making assumptions like 'if he forms a fist, then it's an intentional elbow' - and yet lots of people form a fist when exerting energy - like a short sprint or jumping, or bracing themselves. We have so much footage, it would be almost impossible to review everything - which begs the question, how did the FA come to review Aguero? what was the process? Did they look at every match and make a list of incidents to investigate? Did they receive a complaint from West Ham? Or did the media shove it in their faces and force the issue?

I would like to see a 'on report' style system where a ref can signal that an incident needs to be looked at at the earliest opportunity. The entire crowd should know this during the game. Whilst the game continues, a 3 man panel review the evidence and decide if the ref needs to review it. If he does, at the next break in play, he reviews the footage and makes a final decision. Otherwise, that's the end of the matter. Basically the panel are checking if there's anything at all to seriously review - but the ref still has the final say. It happens there and then, not days later after the media have gone to town.
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I agree completely.

Retrospective charges should only be a thing when serious breaches have taken place like CLEAR indisputable violent conduct that has been missed - the type of things you don't want young kids picking up from the pros. Anything else should be challenged within the game (e.g. Reid asking his manager to challenge the ref to a video replay). Video replays need only be a monitor for the 4th official by the tunnel/benches that he can easily get prompt review footage on and feedback to the ref via his earpiece (takes some of the huge responsibility off the ref's shoulders to get everything right).

I also think offsides should be able to be challenged via video replay (like 2 video challenges per team per game to be used). Tottenham scored 4 goals against us last season over 2 matches through clear offsides the incompetent linesmen missed (resulting in 2 wins for them that otherwise wouldn't have been). There is just too much money and too much riding on the game nowadays and the difference between each place in the table - particularly if that is a CL/Europa spot or survival vs. relegation. It would not be a problem in slowing the game down - particularly now players harassing the refs has been stamped out now. Battenberg slows the game down every 5 mins to get himself on camera anyway through pulling a player aside.
 
Total travesty he's getting a ban for this. Marriner "didn't see it" yeah and my real name is Cecil Artichoke & I live in a wooden shack just on the periphery of Pembrokeshire.

FA wankers.
 
so with it looking on the cards he'll get banned I'm guessing it's all about intent, as the actual contact looks minimal ....
 
When will the verdict be announced?
Some one mentioned above about it being about "intent" . The intent here has been the rag press being intent on stirring up a shit storm so the authorities have had to be seen to act.
 
Yes manure didnt do us no favours by the fans stirring it up on social media but at the end of the day aguero only has himself to blame,while the contact was little it all comes down to intent. Im hoping his good record comes into play and its only a 1 match ban.
 
hope Nacho can fill Kun's shoe.
Pep have 2 weeks to prepare for this.
hope all 3 new signing ready for derby.
 
Is there any right of appeal? If so, it might get him IN the derby, even if he gets 4 matches after that!

BTW, I see MOST of the media has already said he is banned, even though no hearing yet! Is it fair accompli, just because they are having a hearing?
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Is there any right of appeal? If so, it might get him IN the derby, even if he gets 4 matches after that!

BTW, I see MOST of the media has already said he is banned, even though no hearing yet! Is it fair accompli, just because they are having a hearing?
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Not sure that anyone has successfully defended one of these charges. It just doesn't happen. It stinks that the same people charging are the same people hearing the charge.
 
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Do you think he'd get banned if he tried to punch a player but missed? Of course he would, this is no different, he has attempted to elbow someone in the face, just because he missed doesnt make it excusable. If he gets banned then so be it, Kelechi has looked good in this system and is a more than able replacement.
 
Belfast_city said:
Im hoping his good record comes into play and its only a 1 match ban.
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You're putting your hope in the wrong place.

Its violent conduct so...

Found guilty = 3 match ban.
Found not guilty = no ban.

ChicagoBlue said:
Is there any right of appeal? If so, it might get him IN the derby, even if he gets 4 matches after that!
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No, any appeal will take place before the match.
 
cleavers said:
You're putting your hope in the wrong place.

Its violent conduct so...

Found guilty = 3 match ban.
Found not guilty = no ban.


No, any appeal will take place before the match.
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This is not a player who was running alongside another and tried to sneakily elbow his man. Aguero was getting clattered through that game and this was another example. The papers show a close-up of Aguero's elbow, but look at the context as seen by this picture. The defender comes through him with his head and arms and it's Reid who initiated the challenge. What is Aguero supposed to do? He is trying to protect himself. You can make out that he was deliberately trying to hurt his opponent, but I don't think so.

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Do they actually look at ALL the evidence and is everyone concerned open to scrutiny? Surely a representative of City can ask mariner, " are you seriously suggesting that while you were stood 10-15 feet away from the players concerned and looking directly at them, you didn't see the incident? " This is the basis of the charge. It's immaterial whether there's intent or contact. The ruling is IF the ref didn't see what happened. He did. Aguero is being punished on the back of a lie.
 
The whole issue is not whether Sergio intended to elbow his opponent, but rather the blatant inconsistency the FA show when it comes to this kind of thing... and as we all know, Fellaini is 'Exhibit A' in all this.
 
2sheikhs said:
Do they actually look at ALL the evidence and is everyone concerned open to scrutiny? Surely a representative of City can ask mariner, " are you seriously suggesting that while you were stood 10-15 feet away from the players concerned and looking directly at them, you didn't see the incident? " This is the basis of the charge. It's immaterial whether there's intent or contact. The ruling is IF the ref didn't see what happened. He did. Aguero is being punished on the back of a lie.
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This ^^^^^
It was a media witch hunt.
 
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