Slovakia v England match thread

He will not.
Nor will Jose
Nor did van gal
Nor did moyes.
Contractual issues underpin so much of big business such as football.Whoever advises Wayne Elephant (in the room) imo should be knighted,cos when he held fergie scum and the rags to ransom those few years ago he got probably the most brilliant contract ever given in the history of football. He is clearly contracted to play,if fit ,for utd and England and cannot be dropped.the 300k per week means he is stealing a living and taking the piss out of his club side and the national team.is his agent still Paul Stretford? Whoever he is he makes Yaya and pogba agents look like amateurs....and yet this clever man gets no grief from the media.the player has been awful for a good three seasons now and there is not a single thing any person can do to halt the embarrassing scenario cos Rooney, the elephant, is protected by contract law.
The announcement from Ellie that he is to play for england for a further two years merely confirms my view that that as far as utd and England are concerned the tail is definitely wagging the dog.
I ,for one am pleased he is holding back utd,imagine if they had a skilful,mobile goalscoring no.10..one who scores and assists with the regularity a top class player on a huge contract should. At the moment Ellie has about as much cutting edge as Paul Dickov...good thing his agent is a little sharper...
You are right. Stretford has and still is playing a blinder. He's uses his influence in the press as well as with clubs. Just look at the soft shite Shrek documentary. Can't knock him for being top of his game but he's still a **** nonetheless.
 
Allardyce, who took over from Roy Hodgson in July, says he "can't stop" Rooney from dropping into midfield, claiming that the player has a "lot more experience at international football" than he does.
For me, this is the strangest and most worrying part of what he said. Yes, international football is different to the PL in terms of pace and style, but I still can't see how a player's experience at playing international football should trump a manager's experience in coaching at club-level. It's not as if international football is of a better standard than Premier League - probably the opposite, in fact. If the FA think's he can manage the England team than surely that is an endorsement of his ability to make strategic and tactical decisions in an international football match?!

"Bis Sam, I need to play deep in midfield."
"What makes you say that?"
"I have a lot more experience at international football than you do."
"Right, OK, sure."

I can't help but think that any England manager would be required to shoehorn Rooney into the side. When I saw that Hodgson was playing him in midfield in the Euros, I just thought "Well, that's because Roy is an idiot". But now we're seeing Sam Allardyce - a manager notorious for sticking to basics and being stubborn about it - doing the same.
 
I was driving home and listening on TalkShite for the commentary.

Sterling had a good game, and was one of the few players receiving some credit for trying to make things happen. Most of the blame was put at Kane's door for not offering to feet and letting people run off him, i.e. we kept going sideways and backwards.

Stuart Pearce was crying out for Stones and Dier to be swapped to let Stones play in midfield and dictate getting the ball forward as he was the only only trying to play between the lines.

Certainly from listening, it sounded like both of them tried to implement what Pep has been teaching them, in getting the ball forward and play, but didnt have the required support to do it effectivly.
Cheers for that.
I didn't see most of the game and watched the last 15 mins without knowing Slovakia were down to 10 men!!
And we still looked inept.
Some other poster described Slovakia as a "tough" match..I don't agree and and when they were reduced to ten men we really should be taking them to the cleaners and putting a marker down.
I wouldn't want Stones to play midfield for england..I'd like him to concentrate on his preferred position, not have to worry about being a playmaker for the national side.
It says a lot when the captain of the team Ellie the elephant ,is playing so poorly that a nomark like Pearce is offering advice which involves helping Ellie out by putting a centre half alongside him.
I worry for both Sterling and Stones under what is clearly going to be stone age coaching from BFS..the man who moans that foreign managers get all the plaudits for technical nous but when put in the hot seat, declares,nationally, that he cannot force a player to carry out the role on which he has been told to.
It beggars belief.
 
The most pathetic thing i have ever heard from a manager, he should be sacked instantly, the overweight useless coward.
And just one week after the equally pathetic moyes says his side face a relegation battle after two matches in the prem.
These English managers are so hard done to ,no one ever notices their tactical nous...and ability.
 
For me, this is the strangest and most worrying part of what he said. Yes, international football is different to the PL in terms of pace and style, but I still can't see how a player's experience at playing international football should trump a manager's experience in coaching at club-level. It's not as if international football is of a better standard than Premier League - probably the opposite, in fact. If the FA think's he can manage the England team than surely that is an endorsement of his ability to make strategic and tactical decisions in an international football match?!

"Bis Sam, I need to play deep in midfield."
"What makes you say that?"
"I have a lot more experience at international football than you do."
"Right, OK, sure."

I can't help but think that any England manager would be required to shoehorn Rooney into the side. When I saw that Hodgson was playing him in midfield in the Euros, I just thought "Well, that's because Roy is an idiot". But now we're seeing Sam Allardyce - a manager notorious for sticking to basics and being stubborn about it - doing the same.
Every single player in the England team has 'more international experience' than Sam. So, they all get to play where they want?...there will be tears before bedtime.....
 
Just read big Sam's comment on Rooney pmsl.

What an absolute farce!
 
And if you can't do either?

I guess some get lucky. Margetson was a shocker - I remember him being played in the last game of the season at Goodison and he was so bad we had to take him off at half time. There must be a 1,000 or more role ahead of him for that job. What a joke.
 
England are in the shit again by the looks of it. Sam's attitude should be he plays where I say or he can fuck off. Rooney is not anywhere near good enough anymore to be dictating to either club or country
 
I guess some get lucky. Margetson was a shocker - I remember him being played in the last game of the season at Goodison and he was so bad we had to take him off at half time. There must be a 1,000 or more role ahead of him for that job. What a joke.
It was a home game not away. He only played one game at international level and just over 150 league games in his entire career, hardly qualified to make him England's goalie coach is it.
 
It was a home game not away. He only played one game at international level and just over 150 league games in his entire career, hardly qualified to make him England's goalie coach is it.
I get what you're saying...but, wheres the law that states you have to be a great player to be a great coach?
 
I get what you're saying...but, wheres the law that states you have to be a great player to be a great coach?
There isn't but surely you have to have some idea of how to play the game at a decent level and what is required. MM was one of if npot the worst keepers I have seen at City and I include the likes of Bobby Mimms, Barry Siddall and Simon Tracey in that list
 
There isn't but surely you have to have some idea of how to play the game at a decent level and what is required. MM was one of if npot the worst keepers I have seen at City and I include the likes of Bobby Mimms, Barry Siddall and Simon Tracey in that list
Some talent there!...There's plenty of experts on here, when it comes to tactics and teams who have possibly never laced a boot up.
How far did the likes of Ferguson /Mouriniho etc get as players?....not great examples i'll grant you.
 
Some talent there!...There's plenty of experts on here, when it comes to tactics and teams who have possibly never laced a boot up.
How far did the likes of Ferguson /Mouriniho etc get as players?....not great examples i'll grant you.
Pains me to say it but the GPC played over 300 games albeit in Scotland and played half a dozen games for Scotland. Granted PEG's playing career wasn't exactly illustrious although he was assistant manager under the likes of Sir Bobby Robson etc for siz years before making the move into management. MM could barely catch a ball yet here he is coaching the likes of Joe Hart, Butland etc. Is that the best we can do?
 
Pains me to say it but the GPC played over 300 games albeit in Scotland and played half a dozen games for Scotland. Granted PEG's playing career wasn't exactly illustrious although he was assistant manager under the likes of Sir Bobby Robson etc for siz years before making the move into management. MM could barely catch a ball yet here he is coaching the likes of Joe Hart, Butland etc. Is that the best we can do?
Ha...given the current manager, I would suggest that yes, that is the dream team. I'm curious under Hodgson ( international playing exp?) who was goalkeeping coach?...surely not still Clemence was it!
 

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